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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:16 pm    Post subject: why don't guys teach back 'home?' Reply with quote

I find it interesting that there are so many men who are happy teaching english here in korea and other parts of asia. Yet I my education classes back home they would easily be over 80% women (except for one paper, information technology and education, which was 50/50). In early education there are even less guys. Why is it?

I understand that fear of allegations of child abuse has put many guys off. But why are there so few male teachers back in the west?

So why is teaching western children condsidered womens' work, while teaching esol is more acceptable? And if you are teaching here, would you consider teaching back home?
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Psy



Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Location: Hongdae

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides the fact that it is much tougher to actually become a teacher back home, I believe the answer is very simple.
$$$
We all know that the average male salary is greater than the average female salary doing the exact same work in any industry. (except maybe education?) And I believe the rewards (monetary) are not worth the time and effort of going through the rigors of obtaining a degree (at least a master's) in Education along with qualifications and certifications in respective states/provinces.

Regarding ESOL, I don't regard it as either more acceptable or not. I believe it will continue to consist of a great number of males, regardless. IMO, males seem to have a more "independent" quality allowing them to travel far away and adjust a bit quicker/better than females. I don't mean to sound sexist, far from it. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her to go far away overseas, all alone, to teach English. A son, I would object, but if he really wanted to, I'd probably give in. So I can see why there are more numberous males here. Just my thoughts.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.freep.com/news/education/men12_20020812.htm


http://www.icponline.org/feature_articles/f5_00.htm


http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2004/01/02maleteachersins.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/893313.stm


http://www.nea.org/teachershortage/03malefactsheet.html
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more money, more Koreans
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd never teach back in the States. Never. Disciple problems galore. Doesn't pay much either. I'd rather be doing just about anything else but that.

In Korea, its a totally different fish.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I can teach in NZ high schools if I want, but I never would. Three reasons, the money's no good, the discipline is terrible, it's not an adventure.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to teach back home, but my degree is in International Relations and History, not Education... I am considering working towards a masters in Education though.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
Well I can teach in NZ high schools if I want, but I never would. Three reasons, the money's no good, the discipline is terrible, it's not an adventure.


I can too. I actually sort of did, nothing permament, just relieving. I will probably do it when my wife and I head back, it'll still be difficult for me to get a permanent position in my subject area though Sad

What are your teaching subjects Kiwiboy? CLG?
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

English Music Drama ... and you?
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: why don't guys teach back 'home?' Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
In early education there are even less guys. Why is it?


Speaking for myself, I don't like dealing with young children. I'd much rather teach high school, preferably teaching sociology/history.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but I just consider kindergarten/elementary teachers to primarily be babysitters. My brother and his wife both teach elementary, and they're dumber than red bricks, and all of the classes they've taken on child psychology and development don't seem to have done any good whatsoever, as their own children are little hellions with serious learning disabilities/aggression problems. When I think of them, I don't exactly think of the kind of people that I'd want teaching my children.

I just don't think that elementary teachers know as much about the subjects they're supposed to be teaching as teachers who have to specialize in one particular area teaching to older kids do.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most women have a stronger maternal instinct to be around young children, hence why most elementary teachers are women... men become high school teachers as a function of always being taught to be an expert in one field and then also having some desire to teach, which is different than the maternal desire.

I think men that teach in college are there because they either 1) are highly respected in their field and are the best to be teaching the subject. or 2) have a small p*n*s and attempt to make up for it by surrounding themselves with attractive college girls and by giving guys that do know what they're talking about bad grades.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Accounting, economics and junior math. I've forgotten most of the economics unfortunately!
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching abroad is because I really enjoy being abroad and getting to know the culture through the students and everything else. Love traveling and foreign cultures, not teaching English. Also love the expat experience.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I plan to teach back home. I applied for the early education program at some universities. You know why they turned me down: MATH prereqs WTF is that all about. Like I need high level math to teach a grade 4 how to do simple math.

Also don't elementary teachers basically live off their teacher guides anyways Razz (joke)

I am going to do an M.Ed. Not sure if I want to get into teaching back home, but one thing that has interested me is also doing an MBA and teaching high school business courses.

I know the students throw attitude around but a couple years experience back home can set you up for international schools all over the world.
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The Man known as The Man



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
Well I can teach in NZ high schools if I want, but I never would. Three reasons, the money's no good, the discipline is terrible, it's not an adventure.


Go to Canada.

And bring warm clothes-and yes, clothing on attractive women is a shame


Come on people Queen Victoria is dead already!
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