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sick days in contract but employer doesn't honor?
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MalFSU1



Joined: 27 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually have the opposite problem as the OP ...my coteacher will pretty much force me to go home if I feel the slightest bit ill. I'll try to convince her I'm okay and can make it through, but she will do anything short of throwing me into her car to get me to go home and "rest". I worry a bit what the principal and vice principal think about it, but I really don't want to fight my coteacher too hard because she's so intent on me going home.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive got a visual image akin to 'bugsey malone' with you getting in the car as the the tables in the classroom flip over and start serving soju... Laughing
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalFSU1 wrote:
I actually have the opposite problem as the OP ...my coteacher will pretty much force me to go home if I feel the slightest bit ill. I'll try to convince her I'm okay and can make it through, but she will do anything short of throwing me into her car to get me to go home and "rest". I worry a bit what the principal and vice principal think about it, but I really don't want to fight my coteacher too hard because she's so intent on me going home.


One time, I was sent home because of a sunburn despite my wishes. Though I eventually caved since, hey, it's a free day off. It's all about the APPEARANCE of being ill, I suppose.

Public school, BTW. Though you probably could've guessed that.
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lowpo



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

benjaminthunderbolt wrote:
Yeah, it's a strange system they have going here.

Do you know if there are on-call substitute services in Korea? They always make it seem like they'll be absolutely devastated if someone can't come in, although I remember reading something about substitutes for 20,000W/hour so they're probably just being cheap. Shocker.


It's a strange system that companies have all over the wrold!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rowdie3



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Itaewon, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0 days taken sick in 7 years here.
Missed one one hour class due to food poisoning.

I remember in my first year I had severely injured my ankle at Tae Kwon do. Called the director:

Me: I am hurt really bad. I can't walk. I am at the hospital.
Director: Well, you better hurry. Your class starts in one hour.
Me: Not sure if I am going to make it. I need an xray.
Director: See you by 7pm.

That's just the way it goes. Would refuse to go in if I was ever vomitting or unable to get out of bed. Otherwise, I tough it out.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rowdie,

One sick day in 8 years, but I had spent the night in the hospital hooked up to an IV -- couldn't make it to my 8 am class, as I hadn't been released from the hospital yet...wanted to one-up ya, but I can't...unless you get sick this year Smile

Watch yer back Twisted Evil !
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rowdie3



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Itaewon, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL! I have a challenger eh? I better start pumping the vitamin C before flu season hits. Very Happy
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benjaminthunderbolt



Joined: 30 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lowpo wrote:
benjaminthunderbolt wrote:
Yeah, it's a strange system they have going here.

Do you know if there are on-call substitute services in Korea? They always make it seem like they'll be absolutely devastated if someone can't come in, although I remember reading something about substitutes for 20,000W/hour so they're probably just being cheap. Shocker.


It's a strange system that companies have all over the wrold!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not really. Over 127 countries provide one week or more annually, and 98 guarantee over a month. There's a reason Koreans work more than anyone else in the developed world- they have a strange system here.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benjamin,

If there were substitutes available for 20,000 won an hour, there would be no full time teachers -- schools would simply use the substitute service, as it is cheaper than airfare, apartment, health insurance, pension, and salary, even if the person is working 120 classes a month.

There is NOT a widespread subsitute teaching service -- I have heard it bemoaned many times, but other than other teachers at the school picking up the slack, I have neither experienced nor even heard of it happening. Sure, I have covered other people's classes, and have even seen folks from one school ask for help from other foreigners in the community...but getting someone you know to cover for you is a far cry from a systematic method of finding a short-term replacement, or even a sub for a day....
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hubbahubba



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sick, is a not a concept they embrace in Korea. Accept it, or move on.
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sigmundsmith



Joined: 22 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you guys are lucky. try working for a university. we get no sick days at all. not in the contract.

we have to make up the classes that we were sick.

so there. beat the 6 hours - no sick days Smile
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for a company that offers no sick days, but if you need one, take it, you are just going to see your pay docked. That's pretty good motivation.

The other motivator is this: do it too often and good luck getting re-signed.

Me: three and half years in Korea and zero sicks days. My one bout of flu happened to me over Christmas holidays.

Record: my friend back in Canada (where sick days are taken like candy). 13 years of teaching. His entire career. Its his intention to be able to say, "I've gone more whole career without ever missing a day."

As an aside, he asked his principal for an extra couple hundred dollars to pay for some activities for his grade 6 class. No, sorry, can't do it, don't have the money. He looked him deadpan and said, "Take it from the money you have saved for not having had to pay for a substitute teacher over the past X years (at that school)." He got the money.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sigmundsmith wrote:
you guys are lucky. try working for a university. we get no sick days at all. not in the contract.

we have to make up the classes that we were sick.

so there. beat the 6 hours - no sick days Smile


You probably work a maximum of 15 hours per week. 20 with office hours. It's not terribly inconvenient to make up a 3-hour class. You've also likely got 4-5 months of vacation. You still take the sick days, you just have to make up some class time when you're back. It's still a sweet deal.
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