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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:49 am Post subject:

Mix1 wrote:

Hyundai logo = Honda Logo slanted
Accent = Ripoff of Honda Civic
Elantra = Styling is a mix of Honda Fit and Toyota Prius
Genesis = Ripoff of many foreign luxury cars
Genesis Coupe = Ripoff of Nissan 350Z
Sonata = Ripoff of Toyota Camry
Tiburon = Ripoff of Toyota Supra
Veracruz = Ripoff of Buick Enclave and Honda CRV.

As ignorant and outright stupid as the other comparisons are, somehow the Elantra is a ripoff of the Fit or Prius!?!?!

Lemme guess. . . you've never owned a car, shopped for cars, read about cars, or even seen many on the street right?

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject:

Mix1 wrote:

Koreadays wrote:

Korea does what it does best, rips off ideas and then brings them to market, just look at their cars in the past 10 years, they are all pretty much ripped off from the Japanese models.

Well, they are not ALL ripped off from Japanese models; there are rip offs of a few other companies' models too...

Funny stuff from Urban Dictionary:

Hyundai:
Korean car company. Although many of their newer cars are reliable, their designs typically rip off of the other car company's cars.Hyundai also owns KIA, who also makes ripoff versions of other cars.

Hyundai logo = Honda Logo slanted
Accent = Ripoff of Honda Civic
Elantra = Styling is a mix of Honda Fit and Toyota Prius
Genesis = Ripoff of many foreign luxury cars
Genesis Coupe = Ripoff of Nissan 350Z
Sonata = Ripoff of Toyota Camry
Tiburon = Ripoff of Toyota Supra
Veracruz = Ripoff of Buick Enclave and Honda CRV.

Hyundai cars are known for having incredible fuel efficiency, but after the first 4 or 5 years the maintenance falls to shit and loses the performance it had just a few years earlier. This unfortunately causes these cars to have poor resale value. Having noticed this, the company started working harder on the cars, which are becoming more and more dependable with a longer life and are starting to maintain their value. (Similar story to Samsung, which is also a Korean company and now one of the largest electronic companies in the world)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hyundai

So if Apple is suing Samsung, why didn't Honda ever sue Hyundai? Even the logo is almost exactly the same, just slanted a bit.

While the products are getting progressively better, from music to technology to cars, there's definitely a pattern of extremely blatant copying going on. It used to be that the Japanese were accused of copying, but they at least innovated and changed and stylized things quite a bit. Then the Koreans copied the Japanese products to a tee while undercutting on price and sometimes quality. Wasn't there a lot of reverse engineering going on as well?

I don't care if someone copies if it provides cheaper products with decent quality to the masses as long as the innovator also retains profitability.

Without the copier you'd have a monopoly.

Swampfox10mm

Joined: 24 Mar 2011

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject:

madoka wrote:

Mix1 wrote:

And let me guess. You're going to tell us that you own 5 of whatever is the most expensive thing in the thread?

Then you're going to start pretending you know who I am. *laugh*

Mix1

Joined: 08 May 2007

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject:

madoka wrote:

Mix1 wrote:

Lemme guess... you're a Hyundai rep, right? Touchy aren't we? Take it up with Urban Dictionary if you don't like the comparisons, either that or take off the nationalist blinders.

So, is your position that Hyundai did NOT copy any Honda models? That seems like a pretty tough case to make, but go ahead and try. An even tougher case to make is that the bulk of Korean companies by and large are not copiers.

Do many Korean companies churn out good stuff nowadays? Generally, yes, and sales are going great. But to deny the pattern of copying over the years with many different products (not just cars) is to put your head in the sand. In fact, in an honest discussion I bet they'd be the first to admit they copied (off the record of course).

As a business model, there's nothing specifically wrong with copying if you can change it enough to avoid lawsuits. And sometimes it's better to not reinvent the wheel and just take the basic designs from others. It's fairly common actually. BUT let's at least be honest and call it what it is: COPYING...and some just do it more blatantly than others.

madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject:

Swampfox10mm wrote:

Then you're going to start pretending you know who I am. *laugh*

Ask yourself this bassexpander: you're afraid of revealing an anonymous account of an anonymous account. If you can't even stand behind what you write anonymously, well then that's some cowardly poop right there. But I guess someone small enough to talk badly of their spouse behind her back and start threads about divorcing her would be that way. At least wylies99 still can muster up enough dignity to avoid lying about his sock account.

madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject:

Mix1 wrote:

Lemme guess... you're a Hyundai rep, right? Touchy aren't we? Take it up with Urban Dictionary if you don't like the comparisons, either that or take off the nationalist blinders.

How in the world do you think that this Elantra:

http://www.drivearabia.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/2011-Hyundai-Elantra-3-450x315.jpg

Looks anything like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8rdLVbyJhy0/TTpPDWCjBEI/AAAAAAAAB7I/8233q0qFKcM/s1600/hondafit1.jpg

Or this:

http://www.hybridcars.com/files/2010-prius-full.jpg

It's as if you've never even seen the cars. Let me explain it this way genius, just because they compete in similar market segments doesn't make them a ripoff of each other.

Mix1

Joined: 08 May 2007

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject:

madoka wrote:

Mix1 wrote:

Lemme guess... you're a Hyundai rep, right? Touchy aren't we? Take it up with Urban Dictionary if you don't like the comparisons, either that or take off the nationalist blinders.

Ok "genius" (I like how you're making this personal) nobody ever made the claim that competing in similar market segments makes something a ripoff. Making that point doesn't strengthen your argument at all.

Again, are you a Hyundai rep? It's like you are hurt personally or something by a few car comparisons on a website. If you are so offended about it, you may want to take up the comparisons with the guys at Urban Dictionary. Maybe you can round up some angry nationalist netizens for your cause.

Anyway, you can show a few differences in styling in ONE of the car comparisons from the website (the weakest comparison anyway by the way) but so far the MAIN point still stands. Feel free to keep chipping away though...

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject:

Hyundai is good in my books. Anyways if you're arguing Hyundai rips off other car manufacturers, then all companies are guilty of that. It's accepted practice to buy their competitors cars and then reverse engineer them.

liveinkorea316

Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject:

Mix 1: Madoka is a Korean National living in the USA. He will always spout nationalistic >>>>>> so just take what he says for what it's (not) worth.

Koreadays

Joined: 20 May 2008

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:26 pm Post subject:

DIsbell wrote:

Quote:

well those tabs on TV back in the 70's were made out of cardboard! and had no technology whats so ever in them.

The technology inside iPods/iPhones/iPads is largely supplied by outside sources. Apple did write iOS but all the Samsung devices run Android, so it's pretty much a moot point (though I believe there was a ruling against some sort of Samsung shell software which was a bit too similar to iOS- but nothing that couldn't be remedied quickly and allow for units to be on the shelf soon after). Hell, Samsung itself provides part of the technology in almost every iProduct.

So it really does boil down to the design, whether it's empty cardboard or plastic/aluminum with circuits inside.

yes, this is a good point. this all reminds of the Television set.
I mean the sets came out in a square design, and not only one company made them, countless companies started to produce them.
whats the big deal?
I don't get the ipad dispute, ok IPAD invented it first, well great, you get bragging rights, and now samsung and every other company is making them too .. so what's the big deal??

it's like if someone is first to make a tshirt, no one else is allowed to make one? this is just getting stupid now.

Lazio

Joined: 15 Dec 2010

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:37 am Post subject:

Mix1 wrote:

madoka wrote:

Mix1 wrote:

Come on man. How many different cars have been manufactured in the last 20 years? Hundreds, right? Now you try to design something that is not even remotely reminding anyone to a small part on previous models. Every car in the same catogory is similar!!!

everything-is-everything

Joined: 06 Jun 2011

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:12 am Post subject:

liveinkorea316 wrote:

Mix 1: Madoka is a Korean National living in the USA. He will always spout nationalistic >>>>>> so just take what he says for what it's (not) worth.

And you're a foreigner living in Korea and thus automatically against Korea.

See what I did there buddy Laughing

liveinkorea316

Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:19 am Post subject:

everything-is-everything wrote:

liveinkorea316 wrote:

Mix 1: Madoka is a Korean National living in the USA. He will always spout nationalistic >>>>>> so just take what he says for what it's (not) worth.

And you're a foreigner living in Korea and thus automatically against Korea.

See what I did there buddy Laughing

I can see how you read that. But his record of postings shows his bias. I just mentioned that he is Korean and in the USA because that other poster may not have realised that.

Mix1

Joined: 08 May 2007

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:53 am Post subject:

Lazio wrote:

Nowadays that's fairly accurate, but it's not the complete wash you characterize it as. One thing is that the main copiers on the scene have caught up to the innovators in many ways and now some can't tell the difference, plus there's been all sorts of company mergers and also designers/engineers swapping ship in the last several years. But it wasn't always that way to the extent it is now.

At least in the US, Japanese economy cars like Honda came on the scene and they had a specific look to them. They began to get popular not only because of fuel efficiency, but more and more people were liking them (American economy cars at the time mostly sucked anyway).

Later on some Hyundai cars came on the scene looking VERY similar to the Japanese cars, especially Hondas. It didn't take a genius to see where their design ideas came from and who they were trying to emulate: the Japanese car brands (even as little kids we noticed it immediately).

To get a foothold in the market, they were priced cheap. But they fell apart like nobody's business and had a horrible reputation among both consumers and dealers, but the price was so right that many were still tempted, like my much older cousin who was barely old enough to drive at the time. Unfortunately her new Hyundai fell apart so often she biked more often than drove.

Eventually Hyundai had to offer the 10 year warranty just to woo people in, which was a great idea (probably what saved them in the US). Still, they were known as pretty cheap and played second fiddle to Honda and the other Japanese brands for years, always looking like them and benchmarking to them and slowly improving.

It's only been in the last few years that they've really jumped up a major notch and are on par with the Japanese brands, even surpassing some of them in some areas.

But beyond looking at specific model similarities, it just doesn't even seem controversial to say that Hyundai has done quite a lot of copying/emulating, especially of the Japanese car models they were always trying to compete with.

But there's lots more to copy from still! They've also got their sights set on the luxury car market by copying Mercedes and BMW designs and undercutting on price. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKDvMbyeypU

Saying "everyone copies" is fine, but still some do it more often and more blatantly than others.

Ok back to Apple v. Samsung?

Mix1

Joined: 08 May 2007

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:25 am Post subject:

liveinkorea316 wrote:

Mix 1: Madoka is a Korean National living in the USA. He will always spout nationalistic >>>>>> so just take what he says for what it's (not) worth.

No problem. It seemed like it from the response. It doesn't necessarily make his opinion any less valid, but it sure explains the tone. It's Ok though, at the end of the day it's just two opinions going head to head. On other issues we probably agree quite a bit.

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