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[Ilsanman]

Gopher, you type like an educated man. Cudos to you for not having to resort to insults.

BB, I do remember having heated words with you about 2 years ago, but I don't remember threatening you. If I did, I was prolly drunk. But anyways, you like to insult me yet prove nothing.

OTOH, you try to call me a racist yet throw a left handed slap at Korean men. GOOD JOB!! By the way, my wedding isn't until October, so I am not an ajosshi yet.

Also, you take a figurative statement and tell me to prove it to be true. Nice arguing with you man.

The book references, while nice, just prove that there are a few educated people from Africa. A few is still a few.

The monkey reference is from an English expression:

'If you give a monkey a gun, and it shoots someone, you don't blame the monkey.'

-Well given this, you guys like to blame western countries for Africa's wars. Is this not a proper comparison?

I fully believe that if we (meaning white people, since we all seem to be brushed with the same smear paint) didn't sell them weapons, they would just kill each other with knives instead.

If you want some links about Africa, I would be happy to send them. Just PM me.

You guys are way too PC to see the truth.

[On the other hand]

[Ilsanman]

The word racist is just an attack. It's supposed to make me defend the attack, and forget what I was arguing about in the first place. Bait...not taken.

The monkey comment....I usually attribute it to a person with a lower sphere of thinking. Someone who would...for example, kill another person just because they were handed a weapon by someone else. If you consider that to be blacks, then you said it, not me.

I guess we are to blame, you know. Us white bad guys. We're so bad. I forgot. Thanks for educating me teach-ah.

[Gopher]

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[Hollywoodaction]

[Ilsanman]

I don't know what you wanted exactly by posting it. Did you want us all to post and say 'Oh what a shame'. 'It's horrific'. Things like that? If so, I think that way too.

I am just beyond caring. If you asked me 3 years ago, I would have cared.

[ddeubel]

[rapier]

As I've said time and again.....the biggest tragedy for Africa was the colonial powers ceding government before time.
No insult to Africans: but they weren't prepared for self rule under the modern system that was thrust upon them. They haven't, and under present conditions,can't adapt to the new era. If you think about it...they were living under a tribal system..as hunter-gatherers and nomadic pastoralists, since time immemorial. These huge cultural, linguistic, religious and ethnic differences are as varied as the geography and landscapes of that continent: they could not merge into nation states in such a short time, and traditional customs are not well matched to the sudden demands of the 20th century.
Africa is extremely rich in natural resources and the people rich in spirit: but the natural equilibrium was totally upended by the arrival of the white man, his technology and weapons. They're still in recovery and so long as corruption is seen as a normal extension of their age old tribal systems, they will not advance out of the depths.

The time for ex-colonial guilt is over. Yes there was exploitation, but there was also genuine effort to educate and advance the cause of the dark continent. In some parts we are seeing nature restore a sort of brutal kind of balance that existed before. If colonialism had never occurred, Africa may have advanced by a gradual trickle-down cultural osmosis: but the experiment was made, only to be called off halfway through.

[ddeubel]

Good post/thoughts Rapier. Indeed, not ready .....................

But I would say the greatest tragedy wasn't colonial powers ceding power before "time". The even greater tragedy was their complete ethocentrism and sheepherding of Africans. It is this scar, the total disruption of their normal power sharing, that has caused the most harm and is the tragedy. They taught them how to play their game TOO well. Power begets power begets tragedy.

We've had our share of tragedy the past few centuries of our "domination". Now the African's have theirs.

DD

[Guri Guy]

Ilsanman, I really don't know what to say except that calling another human being a monkey is unacceptable in any way shape or form. Dehumanizing somebody or a group of peoples with little or no basis in fact or reality is mind numbingly stupid. Pick up some African history books and see who the "hidden masters" really are. Who props up these dictators?
Have you ever considered that maybe bigger powers outside of Africa maybe are contributing to the chaos and bloodshed that is pandemic to the region? Colonial powers, the USA, Russia and others have a big part to play in all this. They could give a damn if they kill each other. I say blame them first. Do a little reading before you spout off more neo fascist garbage. Where are you getting this from anyway?

[Demonicat]

ACTUALLY...
The Africans had long outstanding empires and kingdoms before the European genocidists- er, colonists, arrived.
West Africa- The Kingdom of Ghana, The Songhai, The Mandingos, the Kingdom of Mali. In fact, the Kingdom of Mali was so powerful economically that when Mansa Musa went on the Hadje to Mecca, he managed to devastate the economy of Egypt just with his travel expenses. Furthermore, the Kingdom of Mali was so developed that the city of Timbuktu was the epicenter of Islamic thought for many centuries.
Central Africa- Kongo is the outstanding champion of monarchies here. The reason behind that is not that the rest were "spear chuck'n monkeys", but rather that they were egalitarian societies.
East Africa- Do I even need to bring up Eithiopia? The major hold out for Christianity in the periods when Rome was killing x-tians by the thousands? Furthermore, if you are a religious man, Moses's wife was Nubian, and if you read the bible closely, God himself says that racism is stupid.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that when all of these amazing civilizations were flourishing, Europe was in the dark ages. If you are about to reply that that was in the past- I wholeheartedly agree. All of these cultures ended when the white man came down and started shooting. The situation in Rwanda, for example, was between the Tutsi and the Hutu. That was an ARTIFICAL tribal distinction created by the Dutch. They empowered one group over another, which led to many of the problems in Central Africa.

I'd write much more, but I have a feeling that it is not needed, as you will probably not reply back to this...but you wanted facts against your view.

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[Demonicat]

Actually, as an aside, instead of PM'ing you for links about Africa, can you just post them? I'm sure we'd all like to see them, and see where your point of view comes from.

[Guri Guy]

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