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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Wow, if I ever get kidnapped by the Taliban, I'll just go ahead and convert to Islam. I could always de-convert later. |
Islam has an interesting tenet on this subject. You're not converting-- you're reverting to your natural state. Anyway, "About.com" has a helpful page on the subject. I highlighted my favourite part in blue.
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How to Convert to Islam
From your Islam Guide
If you believe in the teachings of Islam, it is recommended to make a formal declaration of faith. After careful study and prayer, if you find that you want to embrace the faith, here's how.
Difficulty Level: Average Time Required: Variable
Here's How:
1. For a Muslim, every action begins with your intention. Quietly, to yourself, make the intention to embrace Islam as your faith.
2. Say the following words with clarity of intention, firm faith and belief:
3. Say: "Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill Allah." (I bear witness that there is no diety but Allah.)
4. Say: "Wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasullallah." (And I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.)
5. Take a shower, symbolically cleansing yourself of your past life.
6. Learn how to pray and practice Islam in your daily life.
7. Continue to learn, study, and grow in your new faith.
Tips:
1. Before embracing Islam, be sure to spend time studying the faith, reading books, and learning from other Muslims.
2. Your conversion should be based on knowledge, certainty, acceptance, submission, truthfulness, and sincerity.
3. It is not required to have Muslim witnesses to your conversion, but many prefer to have such support.
4. If you wish to go for Hajj (pilgrimage), a "certificate of Islam" may be required. Contact your local Islamic center to obtain one.
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Wow, if I ever get kidnapped by the Taliban, I'll just go ahead and convert to Islam. I could always de-convert later. |
Bah, just grab a certificate of Islam off the internet and carry it in your pocket. |
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VinnyPaz
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't be able to decide what to wipe my arse with first - the bible or my pink shirt. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Wow, if I ever get kidnapped by the Taliban, I'll just go ahead and convert to Islam. I could always de-convert later. |
Islam has an interesting tenet on this subject. You're not converting-- you're reverting to your natural state. Anyway, "About.com" has a helpful page on the subject. I highlighted my favourite part in blue.
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How to Convert to Islam
From your Islam Guide
If you believe in the teachings of Islam, it is recommended to make a formal declaration of faith. After careful study and prayer, if you find that you want to embrace the faith, here's how.
Difficulty Level: Average Time Required: Variable
Here's How:
1. For a Muslim, every action begins with your intention. Quietly, to yourself, make the intention to embrace Islam as your faith.
2. Say the following words with clarity of intention, firm faith and belief:
3. Say: "Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill Allah." (I bear witness that there is no diety but Allah.)
4. Say: "Wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasullallah." (And I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.)
5. Take a shower, symbolically cleansing yourself of your past life.
6. Learn how to pray and practice Islam in your daily life.
7. Continue to learn, study, and grow in your new faith.
Tips:
1. Before embracing Islam, be sure to spend time studying the faith, reading books, and learning from other Muslims.
2. Your conversion should be based on knowledge, certainty, acceptance, submission, truthfulness, and sincerity.
3. It is not required to have Muslim witnesses to your conversion, but many prefer to have such support.
4. If you wish to go for Hajj (pilgrimage), a "certificate of Islam" may be required. Contact your local Islamic center to obtain one.
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Meh, it took me 20 minutes at the mosque in Jakarta and a question from the imam relating the cheese-catcher on the end of my noodle, which mercifully had been removed at an earlier date. Note, Indonesian law requires a couple to be of the same religion if they wish to marry. I plan to celebrate the start of ramadan by getting hideously pissed. |
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Tokki1
Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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The whole story seems fishy to me.
I mean the reason why they were released. A payoff? If so, how could the Americans support such a move. And if so, they're just going to do it again.
My gut feeling was that the Taliban made some sort of a deal with S.Korea, providing info on the North or some other crap.
It's just too strange. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| My husband said that in some Korean blogs they reported that the women were continously raped by the terrorists.. how true is this? |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Wow, if I ever get kidnapped by the Taliban, I'll just go ahead and convert to Islam. I could always de-convert later. |
This will absolutely not be possible. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Apostatizing from the Muslim faith carries the severe penalty of death. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| merkurix wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Wow, if I ever get kidnapped by the Taliban, I'll just go ahead and convert to Islam. I could always de-convert later. |
This will absolutely not be possible. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Apostatizing from the Muslim faith carries the severe penalty of death. |
Really? Even in Korea? Do they have GPS space-missile technology?
Didn't think so. Just tell them what they want to hear, then revert to normality upon your return. |
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isthisreally
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| If i was trying to force you to convert to my religion and you did cause you were a wussy, I would kill you cause you were a wussy. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| isthisreally wrote: |
| If i was trying to force you to convert to my religion and you did cause you were a wussy, I would kill you cause you were a wussy. |
Good point. I'm a really good actor, though, and I would pull it off. That being the case, I don't recommend this tactic/strategy for the general population. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| merkurix wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Wow, if I ever get kidnapped by the Taliban, I'll just go ahead and convert to Islam. I could always de-convert later. |
This will absolutely not be possible. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Apostatizing from the Muslim faith carries the severe penalty of death. |
Well they'll have to catch me again. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| My husband said that in some Korean blogs they reported that the women were continously raped by the terrorists.. how true is this? |
It was reported by some and denied by others. It sounds like it could just be propaganda to make the terrorists sound more evil. From what I hear they treated the hostages pretty well. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| My husband said that in some Korean blogs they reported that the women were continously raped by the terrorists.. how true is this? |
I have yet to see that from any sources. All I've seen are some really (probably unintentionally) funny quotes (maybe due to bad translation). My fave was the "slave" labor of having to carry water from a well and leveling ground for motorcycles. Oh the humanity! Sounds like the landscaping jobs high school guys take during the summer back home. |
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mack4289
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| tzechuk wrote: |
| My husband said that in some Korean blogs they reported that the women were continously raped by the terrorists.. how true is this? |
It was reported by some and denied by others. It sounds like it could just be propaganda to make the terrorists sound more evil. From what I hear they treated the hostages pretty well. |
It says in that article I posted that they beat them. Regarding the sexual assault, in yesterday's International Herald Tribune, in says, "Je declined to confirm reports that some of the female hostages had been sexually assaulted." http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/12/asia/AS-GEN-SKorea-Afghan-Hostages.php |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| merkurix wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Wow, if I ever get kidnapped by the Taliban, I'll just go ahead and convert to Islam. I could always de-convert later. |
This will absolutely not be possible. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Apostatizing from the Muslim faith carries the severe penalty of death. |
Really? Even in Korea? Do they have GPS space-missile technology?
Didn't think so. Just tell them what they want to hear, then revert to normality upon your return. |
For such a big incident as being released from a kidnapping, the media may very well put you under a microscope for some time. All it takes is a fatwa from an important-enough cleric or sheikh. Seems to be working quite well for our UK-based friend Salman Rushdie, having no need to look over his shoulder ever, eh? |
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