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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| I guess I'm the only one that likes Korea's laws in this area. I remember walking into a parking garage stairwell in Victoria (Canada) and a young junkie woman was lying there. I never worry about my car stereo being stolen like it was in Toronto either. I think the lack of street crime here relates to the lack of drugs. |
I always laugh at posts like this. Please, look up crime stats from various countries and inform yourself. Then throw in the blood money culture, under or non reporting of domestic abuse and sexual offences, and then see how Korea stacks up in the international community of crime.
That's not to say the "West" has it all figured out at all. I'm just saying Korea isn't the crime free utopia many foreigners imagine it to be. Then there's the trade off. Korea may not have the drugs and urban decay, but it also doesn't have the art, innovation, creativity and freedoms of many other countries. Maybe that's fine with you, it's fine with lots of people and there's nothing wrong with that. But we have to acknowledge that there's a trade off there. Yeah, drug use is higher in "Western" countries, but suicide, depression and alcoholism is rampant here. Would I rather have my teenage kid smoking pot, or would I rather him jumping off a building? Would I rather my kid's teacher get high on Saturday night and encourage him to be creative, or would I rather a high strung emotional mess beating conformity into him? It's not an either/or, I'm just saying there are costs to every system.
Anyway, look at the Dutch. Some of the lowest levels of crime and drug abuse in the developed world along with a strong economy, arts and innovation. Maybe the answer isn't how illegal it should be, but a different way of dealing with it all together. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, but this is a relevant point. It's not a mindless comparison, it's a very real issue. I don't know the precise details, but that doesn't mean the point shouldn't be noted. |
It's not that you don't know the precise details. As demonstrated by the quote in question, you don't even know the basic details required to make the point you're trying to take. Your argument is not only lacking sufficient knowledge, but contains false information.
Yet, as usual, you feel you have a point in translating false and incomplete information into a relevant argument. |
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JDLT
Joined: 20 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
But as someone who often calls out SR, I just want to say this post is vile and completely uncalled for. It's been done before, and SR always handles it himself as he's done here. But I just wanted to say it's not ok.
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Yes, it was absolutely a low blow - and to be honest I feel like a complete tool for writing it.
But there is something behind this dude's almost obsessive behavior in relation to his posts - a complex based on a need to make up for something.
Steels has almost made it like some sort of a mission to defend many things Korean.
I understand that to an extent cause there's a lot of bullish on this message board at times - but it's almost as if he feeds off the hate.
Yeah, what I said was hurtful and in very poor-taste, but there' definitely an element of truth to it.
Our own personal psychology whether you like it or not has an absolute bearing of our ideas and world view.
Hell I likely have my own crap inside me for calling out Steels like I did. It was a low blow and my own weakness were reflected in what I wrote.
But like I said, it's just the same old thing time and time again with that dude. And yeah man I respect the man for obviously coming to the point where he's made the best of it and turned it into a positive.
However, whenever someone takes on a side of the pendulum that has gone too far in one direction, I have to question its source.
Anyways, you're right, though.....
That was a low blow and I'm sorry. No matter what point I may actually have; it was a reflection of a lazy argument and insensitive person.
Sorry Steels, and dude I'm done with this board now.
I wish you the best. |
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Soft Machine
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails is a contrarian - his self-esteem is tied up in going against the flow. His Korean ethnicity brings it to a more personal level but it's still the same - you say up, he'll say down and drag in any BS or make up stories to strengthen his position. Bo-oh-oh-ring. But, I must say, the dude really puts time into those posts. He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. Give this guy a wide berth - the dude can't stand losing and will throw the baby out with the bathwater just to think he has gained the upper hand. Again, bo-oh-oh-ring. Just another mine in the field of time.
As for the waegook-in heading for the slammer - there but for the grace of God go each and every one of us. It may not be the ganja, it may be some other legal point, cultural norm or sense of logic that goes against the "Korean Way"....it may not end up with you in stir, but it might mean loss of job or money, a midnight run, loss of relationship, or just a major headache. Each and every one of will cross the "Korean Way" someday - best have an escape plan for the inevitable. |
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coratheexplorer
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
Steelrails is a contrarian - his self-esteem is tied up in going against the flow. His Korean ethnicity brings it to a more personal level but it's still the same - you say up, he'll say down and drag in any BS or make up stories to strengthen his position. Bo-oh-oh-ring. But, I must say, the dude really puts time into those posts. He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. Give this guy a wide berth - the dude can't stand losing and will throw the baby out with the bathwater just to think he has gained the upper hand. Again, bo-oh-oh-ring. Just another mine in the field of time.
As for the waegook-in heading for the slammer - there but for the grace of God go each and every one of us. It may not be the ganja, it may be some other legal point, cultural norm or sense of logic that goes against the "Korean Way"....it may not end up with you in stir, but it might mean loss of job or money, a midnight run, loss of relationship, or just a major headache. Each and every one of will cross the "Korean Way" someday - best have an escape plan for the inevitable. |
More than a contrarian: a mod here and I suspect employee with KISCOM. Hasn't anyone else figured that out yet? |
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Soft Machine
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
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BING! BING! BING! I'm telling you, keep a wide berth of this guy - he's using Dave's as a conduit to bait "outsiders" into speaking against the Borg. Expect a 3am knock on BlackCat's door - next time you hear from him he'll be extolling Korea's unique four seasons and asking if you can eat spicy food.
But, seriously, keep off the grass, lads. It's way overpriced and rubbish to boot. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
Steelrails is a contrarian - his self-esteem is tied up in going against the flow. His Korean ethnicity brings it to a more personal level but it's still the same - you say up, he'll say down and drag in any BS or make up stories to strengthen his position. Bo-oh-oh-ring. But, I must say, the dude really puts time into those posts. He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. Give this guy a wide berth - the dude can't stand losing and will throw the baby out with the bathwater just to think he has gained the upper hand. Again, bo-oh-oh-ring. Just another mine in the field of time.
As for the waegook-in heading for the slammer - there but for the grace of God go each and every one of us. It may not be the ganja, it may be some other legal point, cultural norm or sense of logic that goes against the "Korean Way"....it may not end up with you in stir, but it might mean loss of job or money, a midnight run, loss of relationship, or just a major headache. Each and every one of will cross the "Korean Way" someday - best have an escape plan for the inevitable. |
Well said SM. On the other hand, if we didn't have Steelheart, who would fill that void for us? Who would stand for 'the other side'? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| SR says so much stupid crap and spams every thread that we have enough material to go after him without going down to this level. |
Thank you BlackCat. Class of you to say so. Seriously.
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| In any event, you always bring it back to the US, but you have to realize there are lots of other countries out there and many/most of them don't do drug tests for non-technical jobs. I would also like to state that I can disagree with a national policy and still work within that system. |
Well I agree with being able to disagree. I'd say more if you choose to actively disobey the law (rather than disagree with it) and you get busted, you shouldn't have come here.
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| The thing is, pot stays in your system much longer than much harder drugs. Coke isn't legal in most (all?) nations, but you could pass a test within a week. Pot, on the other hand, is fine in many civilized jurisdictions but can bite you in the ass 3-4 months down the road. |
Well, I think we're kind of in agreement here about my point of how business practices and federal international law hasn't caught up to the recent wave of legalization/decriminalization and we need the U.S. authorities and the U.N. to reform their regulations to define what needs to be done in those cases. When it was illegal everywhere it was one thing, but now that its becoming more and more common, the system really needs to change, like I said. Not just in Korea, everywhere.
I don't think that point is "But in the US..." I think that's a very relevant point.
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| But I would be interested if you thought it'd be ok if someone said because they saw some black guys outside a McDonalds a few years ago causing trouble they believe all black guys are criminal thugs. For someone who is so adamantly against foreigners stereotyping Koreans you seem to be fine with Koreans stereotyping foreigners. |
I'm saying be consistent. If its wrong for them, its wrong for us. If its okay for us, its okay for them.
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It's not that you don't know the precise details. As demonstrated by the quote in question, you don't even know the basic details required to make the point you're trying to take. Your argument is not only lacking sufficient knowledge, but contains false information.
Yet, as usual, you feel you have a point in translating false and incomplete information into a relevant argument. |
Dude, I think the point that international and federal law has not caught up to the recent wave of decriminalization is a very relevant point when talking about the issue and getting busted on a piss test.
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| He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. |
That's one of the benefits of studying as a child and being well-read and having parents who invested themselves in my education and were well-educated themselves. A lot of my examples don't involve wiki (I'm no TUM when it comes to the citations), and things like proper spelling and knowing where and what facts to look to cite drastically cut down on time.
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BING! BING! BING! I'm telling you, keep a wide berth of this guy - he's using Dave's as a conduit to bait "outsiders" into speaking against the Borg. Expect a 3am knock on BlackCat's door - next time you hear from him he'll be extolling Korea's unique four seasons and asking if you can eat spicy food.
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Crap, my cover's blown. There goes my 100% conversion rate, as clearly evidenced by posters changing their views on Dave's....
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| if we didn't have Steelheart, who would fill that void for us? Who would stand for 'the other side'? |
Why you'd get the dulcet tones of TUM and PGHBusan in greater quantities. Or maybe one of those more extreme Korean guys from Korean sentry. It could be worse. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Sister Ray wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
I like anti-intellectualism, it's valuable.
Ha ha. Your first statement is abundantly clear. Your 2nd is highly contestable.
Contestable = intellectual disputation. |
Lots of Dave's readers love these threads; it gives them a chance to dust off their university debating skills and regurgitate things their professors told them.
Meanwhile, I’m out collecting cardboard and making some real $!
I was in a bar in Itaewon a few weekends ago and a group of EFL teachers were talking about 'string theory' - well I'm the guy to speak to regarding string theory.
I can tie a 2x2m stack of card board in 25 seconds. |
If you were really in that business, wouldn't you refer to your product by its industry designation--OCC?
I'd bet there'd be some real money in copper if you could strip it from new construction projects.
As for string theory, do you think they should string the drug offenders up by their thumbs?  |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| SR says so much stupid crap and spams every thread that we have enough material to go after him without going down to this level. |
Thank you BlackCat. Class of you to say so. Seriously.
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| In any event, you always bring it back to the US, but you have to realize there are lots of other countries out there and many/most of them don't do drug tests for non-technical jobs. I would also like to state that I can disagree with a national policy and still work within that system. |
Well I agree with being able to disagree. I'd say more if you choose to actively disobey the law (rather than disagree with it) and you get busted, you shouldn't have come here.
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| The thing is, pot stays in your system much longer than much harder drugs. Coke isn't legal in most (all?) nations, but you could pass a test within a week. Pot, on the other hand, is fine in many civilized jurisdictions but can bite you in the ass 3-4 months down the road. |
Well, I think we're kind of in agreement here about my point of how business practices and federal international law hasn't caught up to the recent wave of legalization/decriminalization and we need the U.S. authorities and the U.N. to reform their regulations to define what needs to be done in those cases. When it was illegal everywhere it was one thing, but now that its becoming more and more common, the system really needs to change, like I said. Not just in Korea, everywhere.
I don't think that point is "But in the US..." I think that's a very relevant point.
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| But I would be interested if you thought it'd be ok if someone said because they saw some black guys outside a McDonalds a few years ago causing trouble they believe all black guys are criminal thugs. For someone who is so adamantly against foreigners stereotyping Koreans you seem to be fine with Koreans stereotyping foreigners. |
I'm saying be consistent. If its wrong for them, its wrong for us. If its okay for us, its okay for them.
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It's not that you don't know the precise details. As demonstrated by the quote in question, you don't even know the basic details required to make the point you're trying to take. Your argument is not only lacking sufficient knowledge, but contains false information.
Yet, as usual, you feel you have a point in translating false and incomplete information into a relevant argument. |
Dude, I think the point that international and federal law has not caught up to the recent wave of decriminalization is a very relevant point when talking about the issue and getting busted on a piss test.
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| He says he's just a fast typist, but the lack of errors and obvious Wiki examples says differently. |
That's one of the benefits of studying as a child and being well-read and having parents who invested themselves in my education and were well-educated themselves. A lot of my examples don't involve wiki (I'm no TUM when it comes to the citations), and things like proper spelling and knowing where and what facts to look to cite drastically cut down on time.
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BING! BING! BING! I'm telling you, keep a wide berth of this guy - he's using Dave's as a conduit to bait "outsiders" into speaking against the Borg. Expect a 3am knock on BlackCat's door - next time you hear from him he'll be extolling Korea's unique four seasons and asking if you can eat spicy food.
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Crap, my cover's blown. There goes my 100% conversion rate, as clearly evidenced by posters changing their views on Dave's....
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| if we didn't have Steelheart, who would fill that void for us? Who would stand for 'the other side'? |
Why you'd get the dulcet tones of TUM and PGHBusan in greater quantities. Or maybe one of those more extreme Korean guys from Korean sentry. It could be worse. |
It can always get worse. That, like the great majority of what you post, is no argument.
As for filling the void, I think almost any poster on this forum could stand in for sr and make his case better than he does. They might not have his experience as a pilot's sidekick, timeline mariner, defendant of the obviously guilty, convenience store clerk supreme, pizza tosser, feckless farm boy or soda sommelier, but how much good has all that done sr's posts?
He should write a memoir or a novel, something where a confused reality can be a strength rather than the weakness it is in his posts here. |
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Soft Machine
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
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Steelrails, another Internet savant - another faceless blahblahblah in an age of faceless blahblahblahs with a the sum of man's learning at his fingertips, yet he chooses to use it to bark up a tree? You spend waaaaaay too long needlessly baiting and pursuing your detractors. Waaaay too long....for what other reason than you're gathering sordid waegook-in info, or just....well, I don't want to get insulting. If you're not "one of them", I'd highly recommend taking a break from the Internet for a bit, but then who'd give time to a faceless blahblahblah outside an Internet forum? How could they glean from just looking at a faceless blahblahblah how much of a rich environment that blahblahblah had when that blahblahblah was growing up, or how well that blahblahblah can sift thru the chaff of a matter to reveal the essence of its blahblahblah. You got some skills; wish my parents had invested in MY education - might even have become an ESL instructor and resident predatory Internet savant in Korea.
Burn your Dave's cards, shave all your body hair, pack that bag and blahblahblah - this dude's a spook! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Smoking pot in Korea is stupid (and, obviously, illegal). But when two US states have legalized marijuana with more soon to follow and literally dozens of studies have shown pot to be less dangerous than alcohol, I don't think you have any grounds to shout people down for saying it's "ridiculous" to be arresting people for it. Sure, Korean sovereignty and whatnot, but can't you say the same for Middle Eastern countries with their laws on alcohol consumption and extramarital sex? Given science on the subject, is it "ridiculous" to say that fan death isn't real? The teachers who got caught up in this were fools and deserve whatever is coming to them, but it's intellectually lazy to simply shout someone down when discussing whether the laws are just. |
Well in the first place I don't know what legalizing marijuana in one country (or certain areas of said country) has anything to do with the laws governing marijuana in another country.
And in the second place I wasn't discussing whether these laws were just or good or anything like that. I took exception to the poster in my previous post because as we all know (and as other posters have pointed out) actions on the part of a few reflect on the whole here. Now if you are not in Korea and don't plan to come back...that might not necessarily concern you. But for those people who are not exactly eager to hand Immigration/the MOE/school owners yet another 'stick' to bash them over the head with and inflict new hoops to jump through...it is more than a passing concern.
The poster professed to be shocked/disappointed at people discussing the penalties those busted in the drug ring might/should face. Well when you potentially make it harder for everyone here who wasn't involved...well a certain amount of criticism (however unjustified they might feel it is/was) is to be expected.
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Soft Machine wrote: |
| Steelrails, another Internet savant - another faceless blahblahblah in an age of faceless blahblahblahs with a the sum of man's learning at his fingertips, yet he chooses to use it to bark up a tree? |
Haha, that's the internet for you.
Hardy "information setting us free" like hippies v2.0 said it would be... |
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ThingsComeAround
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kimchipig
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I was in Busan when the big 2002 drug bust went down. More specifically, I came back from Thailand about 12 hours afterwards and got the lowdown from my buddies who got away from the cops and the subsequent piss tests.
Basically the cops had pinched one of the original dealers, got him to rat his customers out, and confiscated his phone--they had their numbers (no pun intended), and from the sounds of it, a good 70% of the bar customers would have been screwed with a urine test. People had become far too relaxed with where they did it and how often. The end result was about 10 people got deported and blacklisted for 5 years, and the cops repeatedly hassled the bar owner where it went down for the next 6 months for negligible offenses that were asinine. Just for the sake of busting his balls. The subsequent news report was a huge crock of shyte that made the foreigners look like Tony Montana, and featured footage of "drug paraphernalia" that was something the cops showed off for the purpose of smear tactics.
Yes, it's ridiculous that smoking dope is illegal, but it's the reality. If you can't live without it, then go to a country where it's legal but don't do it here, get caught, then get all wah wah about it because you feel it's a stupid law.
I only bring it up now because I feel there is another reckoning coming, which I guess has to happen because people forget about the past. Attitudes get lax and people think the Korean cops have their blinders on. Word to the wise--it's far easier for them to hide from you in plain sight than the reverse. |
I was also around for that and it was a real dumb act in the waygooks who were doing it. It was all in one bar and they were openly doing it.
I live in the weed capital of the world where you can quite easily buy high quality dope at a so called "dispensary" for your "chronic pain" and you know, I don't give two hoots (pun intended) if someone smokes dope in Vancouver. It's up to them and a lot less harmful than alcohol.
That said, in Korea they do not have this lax attitude and if you smoke dope, there's going to be a big price to pay. You'd be idiotic to do it and if you get caught, you are gonna suffer big time for it. |
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