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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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I have no idea what you are talking about 3 times. I guess you are just too smart for me. Actually, I am not convinced that what you wrote matters anyways.
Enjoy yourself, manofboat! |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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My "hating" was to counter all the fawning. It does 'work' for some people, but it really isn't what it could or should be.
Having said that, everything I have outlined this far is absolutely true. |
Can't that be said from pretty much any piece of technology? I mean, I don't feel that we've yet reached the point where everything has become what it could and should be? Are you really completely satisfied with the computing experience?
I would argue that, because of the form factor and cost, it has opened up another perspective on computing...
To put it another way, the EEE is so popular because people felt that the computers that you seem to be satisfied with were not all they could and should be.
Is it ideal? Of course not. I mentioned battery... screen size given the same form factor would be a plus. Perhaps one of those butterfly keyboards from the IBM Thinkpads to make it a bit bigger. More SSD storage. bluetooth, GPS, etc. etc. Of course, a lof of those things can be added and are available today... for more money.
However, what Asus seems to have excelled at is offering a small, fully functional computer at a price where those people looking for a small computer see it as a good value. That's it! |
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry bout the triple post.
Obviously, I'm just not one of those people who points and laughs at what so many people are happy with. I don't own an eee, nor will I ever (unless I can get one for under $100), but I certainly don't begrudge people that do just because it doesn't run fast enough for me, whatever that speed may be. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| boatofcar wrote: |
Sorry bout the triple post.
Obviously, I'm just not one of those people who points and laughs at what so many people are happy with. I don't own an eee, nor will I ever (unless I can get one for under $100), but I certainly don't begrudge people that do just because it doesn't run fast enough for me, whatever that speed may be. |
Yeah, and goodness knows, the masses are usually right. If they are happy, it must be good.
You don't seem to be able to separate fact from fiction. Whom did I begrudge? I made no personal references to anyone, save perhaps a particular demographic I happen to have a strong distaste for.
Why wouldn't you buy one unless it is under $100?
@ IlIlNine:
No, I am not satisfied, but I do know that what I am getting is less of a line than with the ASUS thing. I have a fairly powerful machine which I assembled myself and got good value. Now, do I think that is really true? No...I am not naive. I know how it works. The ASUS machine is 70% hype, 5% innovation and 25% pricing.
I have said more than enough in this thread. If you want, need or like the ASUS, that is outside my point.
Oh yeah...boatofcar..I honestly didn't mean to call you 'manofboat'...for some reason, I had it in my head that that was your pseudonym. Sorry. |
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Why wouldn't you buy one unless it is under $100?
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Becuase I don't need one. I have an iPod Touch. It does everything I need a portable computer to do. If the eee falls to under $100, I'll buy it because I'll buy pretty much anything that looks neat under a hundred bucks. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| boatofcar wrote: |
| [sic]Becuase I don't need one. I have an iPod Touch. It does everything I need a portable computer to do. If the eee falls to under $100, I'll buy it because I'll buy pretty much anything that looks neat under a hundred bucks. |
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| Your Ipod touch can run XP and had 3 USB ports, a webcam, and can run Skype? |
The Ipod touch isn't a computer. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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There's a whole class of machines in roughly the same form factor or smaller and with CPUs that are just as 'crap.'
My EVERUN (www.raondigital.com) runs with 512MB, a AMD Geode 600MHz(roughly a P3) and a little rubber blackberry like keyboard. It also has a 4inch screen and a 60gig HDD. And it rocks for what it does.
The problem is that you're comparing the EEEPC to machines that it's not supposed to be compared with. Fact is a lot of people that do use computers have no need for anything faster than a Celly. What they want is smaller faster and cheaper.
First rule of computing is to have a computer. And people are more likely to have an EEEPC when they need it than a laptop they can't afford, or a desktop they can't move.
Having said all this, I wouldn't buy the current EEEPC. The MSI wind, or the HP or Dell netbooks I will as soon as it's practible to do so. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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There's a whole class of machines in roughly the same form factor or smaller and with CPUs that are just as 'crap.'
My EVERUN (www.raondigital.com) runs with 512MB, a AMD Geode 600MHz(roughly a P3) and a little rubber blackberry like keyboard. It also has a 4inch screen and a 60gig HDD. And it rocks for what it does.
The problem is that you're comparing the EEEPC to machines that it's not supposed to be compared with. Fact is a lot of people that do use computers have no need for anything faster than a Celly. What they want is smaller faster and cheaper.
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If they are going to call it a PC or notebook, that is how it will be compared. I'm simply playing by their rules. |
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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If they are going to call it a PC or notebook, that is how it will be compared. I'm simply playing by their rules. |
Except that they don't. They're in a whole different class, whether they call it UMPC, Netbook, or whatever name they come up with. I've never heard anyone comparing these things to standard PCs and Laptops.
It's like comparing a PS3 or a 360 to a PC--the specs just aren't going to be close, but people buy a game console because it does what they want to do. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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It's like comparing a PS3 or a 360 to a PC--the specs just aren't going to be close, but people buy a game console because it does what they want to do. |
No, it's not. "Console". "PC".
PC is in the name. Even if we are tolerant and let it be a subnotebook, it is still a weak one. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: |
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The size isn't the problem: in fact, that is the strong point.
Quake 3 was playable on a PDA since 2005.
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Yeah but could it play network?
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Buying a large celeron notebook makes no more sense than buying a small one. This is the point: Big crap or small crap...its all crap.
They ripped off the Mac idea of putting no-big-deals in attractive little packages.
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This is interesting. I thought it was to cash in on the OLPC trend which was to build a small portable notebook that was extremely affordable. The Asus in comparison is much better built and equipped for just children, that's the reason behind its popularity. It is also very customisable and probably one of the first laptop I know that is actually encouraging users to linux. The specs does seem low for what it is but play around with it and you get ideas on how far you can push its hardware to the limits.
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I am not anti-tech; far from it, I love gadgets and the like. However, I don't like hoodwinking or taking advantage of a hole in the market with an offering that barely qualifies as the filler for that hole.
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I guess I'm the same, I only buy products that are useful to me.
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This "notebook" is not really useful. It is small, cheap and has some good points, but as I said before, they are only the remnants after the battle of compromise. Call it before it's time, immature, rushed to market, ill-conceived or just a cash grab...the product is a half-baked effort that comes up short as a "computer". |
You're right, its not a laptop, its a mini-notebook. Unlike something like the Apple Newton, this Asus came out at the right time in terms of something extremely portable yet affordable. There is no excuse for expensive 8" to 12" notebooks anymore. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
This is interesting. I thought it was to cash in on the OLPC trend which was to build a small portable notebook that was extremely affordable. The Asus in comparison is much better built and equipped for just children, that's the reason behind its popularity. It is also very customisable and probably one of the first laptop I know that is actually encouraging users to linux. The specs does seem low for what it is but play around with it and you get ideas on how far you can push its hardware to the limits.
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Good point. I forgot about that and you are quite right in bringing it up here; it is very, very relevant and quite telling. |
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