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soupsandwich
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I would assume that MLK would have been greatly disappointed in those that did not take advantage of the many opportunities in America today but modern day American blacks are/were heads of America's biggest companies (TimeWarner, Merrill Lynch), been joint chief of staff and even President. There are plenty of successes.
Also, I don't think there is one 'black culture'. There are 40 million blacks in America, from all socio-economic backgrounds, and culturally as well. I would suggest a black guy from Philadelphia, Pa is as different from a black guy in Philadephia, Ms in the same manner as a white guy from both cities. We have this monolithic view of 'black culture' which I think isn't so, just like there is no monolithic Italian American, Irish American, Gay, Jewish or Latino culture as well |
No, there is a general Black American culture.
Granted, diversified......well............yeah, I would say that a Black American family who lives in Montana has a VERY strong chance of being quite different than a Black American family living in....lets say....Philly?
Why would that be? Really and honestly, all of my fellow Americans of color pretty much act the same where I live....
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sirius black
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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I would assume that MLK would have been greatly disappointed in those that did not take advantage of the many opportunities in America today but modern day American blacks are/were heads of America's biggest companies (TimeWarner, Merrill Lynch), been joint chief of staff and even President. There are plenty of successes.
Also, I don't think there is one 'black culture'. There are 40 million blacks in America, from all socio-economic backgrounds, and culturally as well. I would suggest a black guy from Philadelphia, Pa is as different from a black guy in Philadephia, Ms in the same manner as a white guy from both cities. We have this monolithic view of 'black culture' which I think isn't so, just like there is no monolithic Italian American, Irish American, Gay, Jewish or Latino culture as well |
No, there is a general Black American culture.
Granted, diversified......well............yeah, I would say that a Black American family who lives in Montana has a VERY strong chance of being quite different than a Black American family living in....lets say....Philly?
Why would that be? Really and honestly, all of my fellow Americans of color pretty much act the same where I live....
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Is that the same (one culture) for any other ethnic or racial group in America of size? |
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soupsandwich
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| general similararities............ |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| general similararities............ |
Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant by 'general similarities'? I asked if other ethnic or racial groups of size have the same monolithic cultural qualities you said blacks have and I couldn't gleam an answer from your response. |
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soupsandwich
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant by 'general similarities'? I asked if other ethnic or racial groups of size have the same monolithic cultural qualities you said blacks have and I couldn't gleam an answer from your response |
Think about it....think really hard.
But were are not talking about OTHER racial or ethnic groups, are we?
American Black Culture, as a whole.
Values
Lifesytle
Racial approach/agenda
Social Norms
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soupsandwich
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Think about it....think really hard.
But were are not talking about OTHER racial or ethnic groups, are we?
American Black Culture, as a whole.
Values
Lifesytle
Racial approach/agenda
Social Norms
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Actually...........I think America's youth of today, pretty much acts the same. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I did think about it. That's why I asked the question and made the prior statement.
Values: Middle and upper middle class blacks who grew up in sububan America (mostly white suburbs) have the same values as some inner city black guys living in poverty?
Lifestyle: An ambigous word but I would suggest in my example a black guy from Philadelphhia, PA would not have the same lifestyle as a black guy from Philadelphia, MS. They don't have the same environment. Its regional. The same for two white guys from both areas. For instance sports, in the deep south football is the game of choice and in Philadelphia basketball. Foods would be different. Weekend activities because of the choices each would have that would be unique to one and not generally available to the other. Slang would be different. Made a bit more accessible with music but the accent and slang amongst all blacks I would think is not the same over the country.
Racial approach/agenda: More similitaries than differences but it would be the same for most jews, most latinos but I tihnk there would be differences though socioeconomically. The vast majority of black conservatives seem to be from the middle and upper classes. Black republicans tend to be middle and upper middle classes and the poorer blacks almost entirely Democrat.
Social norms: not sure what that means. I have an idea but will confess to not knowing in what ways you mean it.
Not having a go at you. Just disagreeing on what I think is an over generalization. Also, I don't want to imply any kind of racial bias on your part as well. I just think its going to be very difficult for 40 million people of any ethnic or racial group in a country the size of America, with all the regional differences we have, with the various socio-economic differences and living independently of each other to share an homgogenous culture. Even amongst the poor. The crips and bloods gang culture was particular only to the Los Angeles area for instance and I would think it was as odd to a guy from Harlem as it would be to most people. Fighting over a color of a shirt I would suggest at the time would be odd to anyone including blacks from other areas of the country.
I do see your point thought but think its easy to fall under the generalization trap. From my personal experiences I've found a range of different personalities, values, etc. from different people within the same ethnic/racial group. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Think about it....think really hard.
But were are not talking about OTHER racial or ethnic groups, are we?
American Black Culture, as a whole.
Values
Lifesytle
Racial approach/agenda
Social Norms
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The interesting thing is Koreans I know who visit the bars where teachers hang out say they see a generalized behavior of the teachers they view even thoguh the teacherrs are often times of different ethnic groups and different countries.
Actually...........I think America's youth of today, pretty much acts the same. |
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soupsandwich
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's right...I said it.
With some reflection, I can point out vast similarities in American black culture...mainly with todays youth.
But...I realized.....all the kids today are so out of touch with reality. Granted, that may be the saying with every passing generation....but....when our youth have bascially no respectable people to look up to, it causes discourse...........and that falls on modern parenting as well.
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sirius black
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think there are a lot of similarities with ALL American youth. 80% or more of rap music is bought by white kids. Playstation and video games cuts across all racial and socioeconimic strata. However, I would term this a general American culture. Still there are regionalisms. I would suggest southern kids go to church far more often their counterparts in other regions of the country for example.
Styles of clothes vary amongst girls in different regions. NYC girls and Dallas girls would not dress similar I would imagine, generally speaking. Styles and such easily migrate because of technology (videos, tv, etc.). |
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kcs0001
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sirius black
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:48 am Post subject: |
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In many types of forums, we often see people like this. Yahoo has an army of folks who make such comments on any race related matter. I have much more respect for the KKK because at least they aren't cowards and just say what they really feel instead of alluding to it. Some people define themselves by who they hate. The main tactic is to keep inundating everyone with the same type of mantra. Its too obvious to just say what's on their mind. They know they'll get immediately labeled and that will pretty much stop most folks from being 'recruited'. So, knowing people generally can be converted subtlelyand like water over a hard edged rock, will get smooth edges over time. Building on prior articles and posts. Seemingly unrelated news items like sports, music, art, tiddly winks, it doesn't mater, it is transfered back to their original agenda with some comment or joke.
The problem though is that the America is steadily going in the other direction. They are losing the battle. The number of inter-ethnic or inter racial marriages increase annually by a good blip. Most Americans are growing up with other types of Americans in their neighborhood, schools, jobs, etc.
However, these folks don't offer a solution. Oh, they have one. However, you'll be turned off completely but the trick is how to get you to come to the same conclusion as they do without actually suggesting it. Its ingenius to some extent. They are hoping that common sense won't prevail. They are hoping that you don't see the dichotomy in the many different people you meet who are different from the people in the articles but share only the same face.
They want to you to look for differences instead of looking for commonalities as one human to another.
There are great problems America faces. The trick is to make you believe that their agenda should be top of the list. Not the overall economy. Not the war against forces outside the country who are more deserving of our real fears. No, the trick is to get you to blame all ills on one thing. One sole issue. Its not that its not an important issue. It is. It should be addressed. However, any solution other than what they really want will be viewed as 'leftist', 'liberal', 'coddling', etc.
I was very fortunate to do a fair amount of traveling. Both within the country and internationally. Someone once told me "travel is the best cure for prejudice' and its been true from my experiences. There are a fair number of prejudices I no longer hold. Its okay to have prejudices. We all do. We all make generalities about a great many things. Its human. Nothing to be ashamed of. What I would be ashamed of in myself is if I judged someone undeservedly. Basing it on the most inane of things. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Now that's crossing the discourse line......If you crossed a little more, your account wouldn't be here. It's one thing to discuss crime and what not, but to parody the way some African Americans speak in doing so is not acceptable and posting that article the way you did with your words is a no-go. I hope this is clear for everyone, and we have done that for all races concerned. We've banned people over anti-white ,anti-black, anti-Korean comments if they were judged to cross a certain line...... |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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How about make an actual argument? What the hell does this have to do with government spending? Would you like me to post articles about white people breaking the law? This is ridiculous, you obviously are a raging bigot. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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There is one last sad truth about bigots that I didn't mention. They actually don't want to see things improve. The last thing they want is for crime stats, etc. to go down and disappear and for that segment of society to be fully integrated and contributing positively. You see, they'd rather hate. They need it. Also, the added competition. The more people from the groups they dont like are successful the less for them and 'their' group.
The strange dichotomy is they believe the bad of some groups is inherent but at the same time fear their success. |
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