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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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This is great Operation Chaos is exceeding all expectations and we could not have done it without Hill-Bill. Thank you Hillary C.  |
It's not going to make a lick of difference. All the fundamentals point to a comfortable Democratic victory this year. Check out the party-identification polling numbers or Doug Hibbs' stunningly accurate Bread and Peace model. The Democratic candidate will get approximately 52% of the popular vote, by conservative estimate.
That's why Hillary is fighting so hard. She knows that whoever ends up as the Dem nominee will have a 70-75% chance of winning the general election, divisive primary or no. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
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| This is great Operation Chaos is exceeding all expectations and we could not have done it without Hill-Bill. Thank you Hillary C. |
It's not going to make a lick of difference. All the fundamentals point to a comfortable Democratic victory this year. Check out the party-identification polling numbers or Doug Hibbs' stunningly accurate Bread and Peace model. The Democratic candidate will get approximately 52% of the popular vote, by conservative estimate.
That's why Hillary is fighting so hard. She knows that whoever ends up as the Dem nominee will have a 70-75% chance of winning the general election, divisive primary or no. |
Yeah, and 98% of polling numbers are made up. At any rate, Rasmussen Reports would disagree with you numbers. But I must digress.
Yes, lefties see a planet alignment favoring a democrat president and Congress. Their dreams of greater state dependency finally seems to be a realization. The first women or black man as president. Why the 'white guilt' throughout the country must be so great that the electorate would never vote for another 'old white man.' This, of course, would be true if the democrats could get their house in order, and leave it to the lefties to screw up an almost certain thing. The continuing infighting and chaos in the democrat party is shooting McCain's stock straight up. I really hope this chaos continues straight past the convention with many dissatisfied dem voters. What is the old saying about a divided house...? |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| This is great Operation Chaos is exceeding all expectations and we could not have done it without Hill-Bill. Thank you Hillary C. |
It's not going to make a lick of difference. All the fundamentals point to a comfortable Democratic victory this year. Check out the party-identification polling numbers or Doug Hibbs' stunningly accurate Bread and Peace model. The Democratic candidate will get approximately 52% of the popular vote, by conservative estimate.
That's why Hillary is fighting so hard. She knows that whoever ends up as the Dem nominee will have a 70-75% chance of winning the general election, divisive primary or no. |
Yeah, and 98% of polling numbers are made up. At any rate, Rasmussen Reports would disagree with you numbers. But I must digress.
Yes, lefties see a planet alignment favoring a democrat president and Congress. Their dreams of greater state dependency finally seems to be a realization. The first women or black man as president. Why the 'white guilt' throughout the country must be so great that the electorate would never vote for another 'old white man.' This, of course, would be true if the democrats could get their house in order, and leave it to the lefties to screw up an almost certain thing. The continuing infighting and chaos in the democrat party is shooting McCain's stock straight up. I really hope this chaos continues straight past the convention with many dissatisfied dem voters. What is the old saying about a divided house...? |
Stop it, please, you're inflaming my white guilt to dangerous levels. Is there a state agency nearby that can dispense a pill for it?
Seriously, man, do you really believe the crap you write? That is a laundry list of the most ludicrous strawmen I've ever seen, creationist tracts excepted of course. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
Stop it, please, you're inflaming my white guilt to dangerous levels. Is there a state agency nearby that can dispense a pill for it?
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Well, I hope it doesn't have to come to that. But as I look at the proposed budget of Obama and the tax increase that will come with it, the more infighting within the democrat party, the better. I really just don't want to see the democrats get a stranglehold on the entire government, both houses of Congress and the executive. It would just kill the economy. Expanded government power and the taxes to pay for that power gets in the way of people's opportunity to grow value in their lives. I just don't understand why the left can't see that. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Capitalism is a government project. I don't understand why the right can't see that. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I like your 'hope'fulness SNK, but Clinton's campaign is doing damage to Obama. At the county caucus last weekend there was a fair bit of "He can't be elected" talk from Hillary's supporters. This was southeastern Iowa, so unfortunately racism does play a part in that judgement, but the more reasonable people supporting Hillary openly stated that they believed she was trashing Obama to win, and that they supported it. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I like your 'hope'fulness SNK, but Clinton's campaign is doing damage to Obama. At the county caucus last weekend there was a fair bit of "He can't be elected" talk from Hillary's supporters. This was southeastern Iowa, so unfortunately racism does play a part in that judgement, but the more reasonable people supporting Hillary openly stated that they believed she was trashing Obama to win, and that they supported it. |
You know what you ask a job applicant, if you want to know whether he's honest or not? You ask him whether he thinks other people are honest. What we think about the human race in general almost always tracks what we really think about ourselves, even if the judgment is too adverse to be consciously acknowledged.
IOW, people who say that America is too racist a country to vote for a black man may be saying more about themselves than about America. Of course this is not 100% -- armchair psychology is far from completely reliable -- but I find it a useful guide. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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I don't necessarily agree with that assessment, but I see where you're coming from with that statement. I've done alot of hiring, and the question I ask is...
'What is your greatest weakness?'
If they say they're a workaholic or something along those lines they're full of crap, and though not necessarily untrustworthy, certainly worth watching closely.
I always say I'm a nervous talker. It's true, and hopefully connects me to Lloyd Dobbler. Everyone decent loves Lloyd Dobbler. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Capitalism is a government project. I don't understand why the right can't see that. |
Capitalism is project of the free market. The right to capital, the right to ownership, the right grow one's wealth is the right of free people in a free market. You may be thinking of the insidious phenomenon of corporatism; whereby the interests of government and corporations merge. The best way to divorce the two is to end the over-taxation, end the over regulation, end the subsidies, end the unfair welfare programs, end it all! Less and smaller government, less taxes, freer people and freer markets is how to enhance the prosperity for every citizen of our country. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| stillnotking wrote: |
| Capitalism is a government project. I don't understand why the right can't see that. |
Capitalism is project of the free market. The right to capital, the right to ownership, the right grow one's wealth is the right of free people in a free market. |
Excellent, you have the definition of capitalism down pat. Now if you can understand its genesis and maintenance, you'll be home free.
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| You may be thinking of the insidious phenomenon of corporatism; whereby the interests of government and corporations merge. The best way to divorce the two is to end the over-taxation, end the over regulation, end the subsidies, end the unfair welfare programs, end it all! Less and smaller government, less taxes, freer people and freer markets is how to enhance the prosperity for every citizen of our country. |
I was not thinking of the insidious phenomenon of corporatism. I was thinking of property rights and the rule of law, otherwise known as the basic governmental requirements for capitalism. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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I've been in my pessimistic mode for the last month, so I expect McCain to win. We'll have 4 more years of spend, spend, spend with no taxes raised to pay for any of it.
Obama will probably be the nominee, but I can't say I'm impressed with this:
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| Second, Obama�s lawyers successfully prevented re-votes in Florida and Michigan. |
It looks like politics as ususal. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm still waiting for proof on that one. I won't hold my breath. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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If Clinton is still in the race, it's because Obama can't finish it.
Finish it, Obama. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I've been in my pessimistic mode for the last month, so I expect McCain to win. We'll have 4 more years of spend, spend, spend with no taxes raised to pay for any of it.
Obama will probably be the nominee, but I can't say I'm impressed with this:
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| Second, Obama�s lawyers successfully prevented re-votes in Florida and Michigan. |
It looks like politics as ususal. |
I'm with you on the pessimism, especially after the county caucus I attended, but I actually expected Clinton to screw around and make it impossible for Obama to be a viable candidate. Hopefully if that happens a third option will get picked. Dole, Biden, even Richardson would be more acceptable that a Clinton run at this point.
I'm sort of with you on the opposition to re-votes, but it's really that the Obama campaign opposed the WAY the re-votes were to occur. It's stupid, but how can you give the O guff for playing politics when he opponent is being all Rove about the campaign. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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If Clinton is still in the race, it's because Obama can't finish it.
Finish it, Obama. |
Hmm..I thought it was because the primaries weren't over? Never mind. |
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