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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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 Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| You must frequent some bizarre places man. |
Jrwhite has indirectly called Korea "bizarre".
He has slandered the homeland of an entire ethno-genetic group. I suggest we alert the wider community to his raschism. |
Add this comment to the 100% logic failure pile. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
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| You are the one who has limited the term racism to be applied to DNA and genetic properties. Where does that come from? You made it up? Or please tell me where you found that definition. |
We are using the definition you yourself provided:
Racism -
Noun:The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
If all members of a race possess a characteristic, it stands to reason it's based on genetics and not culture. In other words, all gyopos would have that trait--every person of Korean extraction would have it whether they lived in Seoul, New York, Paris or Cairo.
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Why would it stand to reason its based on DNA? A characteristic doesn't have to be a physical one. (Large eyes, flat feet, dwarfism, etc...) The statement, "Persians are generally religious extremists." = "Koreans are generally terrified of animals." These statements are equal, logically speaking. That is a racist statement about Persians. You are blanketing an entire race of people with a characteristic (religious extremism). Your genetic principals do not determine your religion, your cultural upbringing does. I hope this analogy clears it up and explains why your definition of racism is flawed.
So what Julius did, either on purpose or not, was he made a series of blanketing statements about Koreans. As provided in the evidence I presented, these statements sent the message that "Koreans", not the government or as a critique of the culture...but the people themselves, are inferior to the West. And other statements he made also showed that he believes that the West is superior to Korea. Which is racist, according to the definition.
The word "Koreans" refers to the people. Not their culture, their government or their way of life. That is what makes it racist. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| Julius believes that Koreans suffer from a massive mental disorder. |
Irrational fears and phobias come under the definition of disorders of the mind. Look it up in the dictionary if you don't believe me.
e.g. if you are afraid of pigeons then that is an irrational fear.. because pigeons cannot harm you.
I have met so many, many Koreans that are either afraid of, averse to, disgusted by, nervous around, over-reactionary to, disrespectful of, or antagonistic towards other species, that I feel justified in guessing that the vast majority of Koreans are this way.
Animals ranging from moths, butterflies, frogs, paying mantises, grasshoppers, to dogs, cats, pigeons, birds, and in fact all other living creatures. If you want quick evidence of this just take a walk around the zoo or maybe the coex aquarium and watch the reactions of people around you.
Is it wrong? of course its wrong. No humans should be that estranged from, or view themselves as so separate from, their natural environment and other living things. Lack of familiarity breeds lack of understanding, which breeds fear, ..which breeds abuse and cruelty. You can see all those four elemental stages in the face of the average ajosshi approaching a chained-up dog. |
I agree with Steelrails. I love going to the aquarium and zoo. I've never seen massive numbers of Koreans (even 1 Korean at a zoo or aquarium) reacting out of irrational fear. I wonder how they stay in business if so many of them are terrified of being there. You'd think word would get around that there are animals in the zoo. And since they are so scared, the people they told would probably stay away.
I've been to other countries with a large group of Korean people. We rode elephants. They didn't freak out. We went to a monkey temple. The wild monkeys jumped on them, and they didn't freak out. My friends own dogs and cats.
We went scuba diving together in Paula. The sharks didn't freak them out. The 14 ft wide manta's didn't freak them out. The eels and sea snakes didn't freak them out. In fact, they were attracted to all of them.
Julius, you are truly an exception I guess. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
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You're right. Maybe he isn't racist. I amend my previous statement. Julius only says racist things but is in fact not a racist.
"scary and "dirty"...typical Korean attitudes to animals."
"a mass mental disorder of sorts"
"Generally speaking, Koreans attitudes..." |
These quotes criticize Korean society but don't necessarily speak to intrinsic genetic properties.
To show racism, you should show these are not merely cultural criticisms.
You haven't. |
How is saying that Koreans have a "mass mental disorder of sorts" a cultural criticism?
There is a big difference between "cultural criticism" and blanket attacks on an entire nationality.
It's not just Koreans that he's limited himself to attacking like that either. He's stated before that Americans and Canadians are guilty of genocide for what our ancestors did to the original inhabitants of North America and that we should hand over our lands and houses to the present-day ones. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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[quote="TheUrbanMyth"]How is saying that Koreans have a "mass mental disorder of sorts" a cultural criticism?
Irrational fears (disorders of the mind) are not genetic but arise from cultural or environmental influence. Besides I did not say 100% of them have them, just most.
Ethnic Koreans living in the US, for example, that have regularly been exposed to cats, dogs and horses, probably do not have such phobias. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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Hey speaking of culture Julius, what cultural phenomenon was it that caused your utter fail of logic and critical thinking there eh?
Care to have us dissect that? Care for us to pass judgments on your culture given such a fail?
There's another fail here- the inability to say "I was wrong", apologize, and walk away. Maybe there is a "cultural" aspect to that.
Or maybe you're just a schmoe who failed at logic. |
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HijackedTw1light
Joined: 24 May 2010
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
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| You are the one who has limited the term racism to be applied to DNA and genetic properties. Where does that come from? You made it up? Or please tell me where you found that definition. |
We are using the definition you yourself provided:
Racism -
Noun:The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
If all members of a race possess a characteristic, it stands to reason it's based on genetics and not culture. In other words, all gyopos would have that trait--every person of Korean extraction would have it whether they lived in Seoul, New York, Paris or Cairo.
Got it? |
Why would it stand to reason its based on DNA? A characteristic doesn't have to be a physical one. (Large eyes, flat feet, dwarfism, etc...) The statement, "Persians are generally religious extremists." = "Koreans are generally terrified of animals." These statements are equal, logically speaking. That is a racist statement about Persians. |
Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired. I'm only going to explain this one more time, so please follow carefully.
I'm going to use CAPS this time so you know when to pay close attention.
This is the definition of racism you provided:
"Racism -
Noun:The belief that ALL MEMBERS of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races"
Notice the words ALL MEMBERS. We are not making statements that begin with "Generally speaking...." We are talking about ALL MEMBERS. Therefore the statement "Generally speaking Persians are religious extremists" does not qualify as racism by the definition you provided. Not all Persians are religious fanatics, according to the speaker, so it would not meet the definition above. If a characteristic is to apply to ALL MEMBERS of any numerous race of people, it would have to be a genetically inherited trait.
If you don't like this definition of racism, maybe you shouldn't have quoted it. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: More stupidity on the subway |
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| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
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| You are the one who has limited the term racism to be applied to DNA and genetic properties. Where does that come from? You made it up? Or please tell me where you found that definition. |
We are using the definition you yourself provided:
Racism -
Noun:The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
If all members of a race possess a characteristic, it stands to reason it's based on genetics and not culture. In other words, all gyopos would have that trait--every person of Korean extraction would have it whether they lived in Seoul, New York, Paris or Cairo.
Got it? |
Why would it stand to reason its based on DNA? A characteristic doesn't have to be a physical one. (Large eyes, flat feet, dwarfism, etc...) The statement, "Persians are generally religious extremists." = "Koreans are generally terrified of animals." These statements are equal, logically speaking. That is a racist statement about Persians. |
Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired. I'm only going to explain this one more time, so please follow carefully.
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