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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: Discrimination? 22 Foreign Professors at 23 Public Uni. |
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Does this clearly demonstrate discrimination in hiring foreigners at Korean public universities?
Only 22 Foreign Professors at 23 Public Universities
By Cho Ji-hyun, Korea Herald (October 15, 2007)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2007/10/15/200710150006.asp
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Despite universities' publicized efforts towards "globalization," it was recently found that only 22 full-time foreign professors worked at Korea's 23 public universities in 2006, according to the Education Ministry's data.
The figure disclosed yesterday by Rep. Lee Sung-kwon, of the main opposition Grand National Party, showed that eight of the total of 23 state-owned universities employed a total of 22 foreign professors full-time last year. Among those schools, Seoul National employed eight foreign professors, and Kyungpook National University and Pukyong National University each had four foreign professors on their full-time staff. |
By Cho Ji-hyun, The Korea Herald (October 15, 2007)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2007/10/15/200710150006.asp
Would this happen throughout the public university system in Canada or the United States? |
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Optimus Prime
Joined: 05 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Discrimination? 22 Foreign Professors at 23 Public Uni. |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Would this happen throughout the public university system in Canada or the United States? |
Sure, but we call institutions that have ZERO international perspective "Community Colleges."
OOps, I just remembered, my local community college has several foreign staff, as I used to play football with them occasionally. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Discrimination? 22 Foreign Professors at 23 Public Uni. |
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| Optimus Prime wrote: |
| Sure, but we call institutions that have ZERO international perspective "Community Colleges." |
Why do you malign community colleges? An accredited institution, by definition, provides a sound education. At least, that's the way it works in the US. Over here, I'd doubt the accreditation process is far different from any other oversight action in Korea. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Discrimination? 22 Foreign Professors at 23 Public Uni. |
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| Optimus Prime wrote: |
| Real Reality wrote: |
Would this happen throughout the public university system in Canada or the United States? |
Sure, but we call institutions that have ZERO international perspective "Community Colleges." |
Heck, my high school had more foreign teachers.
My French teacher was from Britain, my chemistry teacher was from Iran, and my math teacher was from Afghanistan. |
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htrain
Joined: 24 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: Re: Discrimination? 22 Foreign Professors at 23 Public Uni. |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Optimus Prime wrote: |
| Real Reality wrote: |
Would this happen throughout the public university system in Canada or the United States? |
Sure, but we call institutions that have ZERO international perspective "Community Colleges." |
Heck, my high school had more foreign teachers.
My French teacher was from Britain, my chemistry teacher was from Iran, and my math teacher was from Afghanistan. |
Same with my high school, we had a foreigner French teacher from Canada. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps it is because of immigration rules and NOT universities' discriminatory policies.
E-1 Status (Professors)
A. The Object of Visa Issuance
This category applies to foreigners who, as qualified individuals specified by the Educational Law, wish to instruct special fields of study or engage in the guidance of research at junior colleges or higher educational institutions, or the institutions corresponding to such levels.
* In the case of a national or a public University, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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In a related story...
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Korean students confused by university hiring policy
Students at Yoo-suk University are confused by the hiring practices of their administrators. Students have been receiving lectures in English for all subjects due to the lack of Korean spoken by the Great White staff. Universities, in order to satiate cries of discrimination in their hiring policy, have replaced all Korean professors with people from the Great White countries. Students are struggling with their new burden of having to speak fluent English in order to understand their lectures.
"I thought I was taking a class in Korea, where the professors would speak the language of the country and citizens they are teaching. Globalization sucks", said Kung-soon, a freshman in Korea University. She is not alone; mass demonstrations are planned all week as students are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their Great White lectures.
"They are everywhere now. We have foreign janitors, parking lot attendants and even foreign foods in the cafeteria. I thought this was Korea and that we had our own language and culture; I thought we were able to employ our own citizens." The planned demonstrations are likely to have little effect on administrators who are expected to continue to flood the universities with unnecessary foreign staff. "We want to be seen as a fully developed nation, even if we have to act like retards to do it", says an administrator at a high-ranking university, speaking on terms of anonymity, fearing backlash if his name is used.
Korean professors have filed numerous lawsuits and held vigils, staging sit-ins around campuses across the country, but nobody cares. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
In a related story...
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Korean students confused by university hiring policy
Students at Yoo-suk University are confused by the hiring practices of their administrators. Students have been receiving lectures in English for all subjects due to the lack of Korean spoken by the Great White staff. Universities, in order to satiate cries of discrimination in their hiring policy, have replaced all Korean professors with people from the Great White countries. Students are struggling with their new burden of having to speak fluent English in order to understand their lectures.
"I thought I was taking a class in Korea, where the professors would speak the language of the country and citizens they are teaching. Globalization sucks", said Kung-soon, a freshman in Korea University. She is not alone; mass demonstrations are planned all week as students are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their Great White lectures.
"They are everywhere now. We have foreign janitors, parking lot attendants and even foreign foods in the cafeteria. I thought this was Korea and that we had our own language and culture; I thought we were able to employ our own citizens." The planned demonstrations are likely to have little effect on administrators who are expected to continue to flood the universities with unnecessary foreign staff. "We want to be seen as a fully developed nation, even if we have to act like retards to do it", says an administrator at a high-ranking university, speaking on terms of anonymity, fearing backlash if his name is used.
Korean professors have filed numerous lawsuits and held vigils, staging sit-ins around campuses across the country, but nobody cares. |
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all the students at yoo suck can rest easy - as soon as those foreign teachers find out they won't get paid they'll leave and the korean profs will return -
oops - maybe they didn't get paid either?
guess they're screwed then! oh well.  |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Demophobe makes a good point (and made it amusing; bonus!). I'm sure if more experts in academia spoke Korean they could find employment in a Korean university.
On the other hand, Ttompatz piqued my curiosity: what visa does allow someone to work full time at a Korean university?
And wasn't there also a new rule from the Ministry of Education restriction on what foreigners could teach? There was some controversy over the subject matter of a foreign teacher's class a year or so ago. Anyone remember the specifics? Or have a link? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
Demophobe makes a good point (and made it amusing; bonus!). I'm sure if more experts in academia spoke Korean they could find employment in a Korean university.
On the other hand, Ttompatz piqued my curiosity: what visa does allow someone to work full time at a Korean university?
And wasn't there also a new rule from the Ministry of Education restriction on what foreigners could teach? There was some controversy over the subject matter of a foreign teacher's class a year or so ago. Anyone remember the specifics? Or have a link? |
If a foreigner wants to teach full time at a public or national university they must hold an F2, F4, or F5 visa.
The restrictions are only on the E1 visa. E2s at a uni are considered to be teachers and NOT professors. |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
In a related story...
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Korean students confused by university hiring policy
Students at Yoo-suk University are confused by the hiring practices of their administrators. Students have been receiving lectures in English for all subjects due to the lack of Korean spoken by the Great White staff. Universities, in order to satiate cries of discrimination in their hiring policy, have replaced all Korean professors with people from the Great White countries. Students are struggling with their new burden of having to speak fluent English in order to understand their lectures.
"I thought I was taking a class in Korea, where the professors would speak the language of the country and citizens they are teaching. Globalization sucks", said Kung-soon, a freshman in Korea University. She is not alone; mass demonstrations are planned all week as students are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their Great White lectures.
"They are everywhere now. We have foreign janitors, parking lot attendants and even foreign foods in the cafeteria. I thought this was Korea and that we had our own language and culture; I thought we were able to employ our own citizens." The planned demonstrations are likely to have little effect on administrators who are expected to continue to flood the universities with unnecessary foreign staff. "We want to be seen as a fully developed nation, even if we have to act like retards to do it", says an administrator at a high-ranking university, speaking on terms of anonymity, fearing backlash if his name is used.
Korean professors have filed numerous lawsuits and held vigils, staging sit-ins around campuses across the country, but nobody cares. |
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the problem with this article is simple, give us some information, some solid numbers. all this tells me is that at least one student at one university is mad because he listened to at least one lecture in a language that is not korean. and he is mad because there is at least one food in the cafeteria that is not korean. for all i know, he is upset because there is 돈까스 (pork cutlett, from japan) in the cafeteria, and his Japense Language professor talked to him once in Japanese.
horrible, absolutely horrible journalism |
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htrain
Joined: 24 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
In a related story...
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Korean students confused by university hiring policy
Students at Yoo-suk University are confused by the hiring practices of their administrators. Students have been receiving lectures in English for all subjects due to the lack of Korean spoken by the Great White staff. Universities, in order to satiate cries of discrimination in their hiring policy, have replaced all Korean professors with people from the Great White countries. Students are struggling with their new burden of having to speak fluent English in order to understand their lectures.
"I thought I was taking a class in Korea, where the professors would speak the language of the country and citizens they are teaching. Globalization sucks", said Kung-soon, a freshman in Korea University. She is not alone; mass demonstrations are planned all week as students are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their Great White lectures.
"They are everywhere now. We have foreign janitors, parking lot attendants and even foreign foods in the cafeteria. I thought this was Korea and that we had our own language and culture; I thought we were able to employ our own citizens." The planned demonstrations are likely to have little effect on administrators who are expected to continue to flood the universities with unnecessary foreign staff. "We want to be seen as a fully developed nation, even if we have to act like retards to do it", says an administrator at a high-ranking university, speaking on terms of anonymity, fearing backlash if his name is used.
Korean professors have filed numerous lawsuits and held vigils, staging sit-ins around campuses across the country, but nobody cares. |
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the problem with this article is simple, give us some information, some solid numbers. all this tells me is that at least one student at one university is mad because he listened to at least one lecture in a language that is not korean. and he is mad because there is at least one food in the cafeteria that is not korean. for all i know, he is upset because there is 돈까스 (pork cutlett, from japan) in the cafeteria, and his Japense Language professor talked to him once in Japanese.
horrible, absolutely horrible journalism |
It was a choke, (Korean joke) from a foreigner round-eye teacher. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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"Yoo-suk University"
Can you picture that name on your resume/c.v.? And how about an interview after working at Yoo-suk University?
What about answering questions such as, "so where did/do you work at in Korea?" |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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And of those 22 I wonder how many are of Korean ethnicity?
A country that's so desperate to be taken seriously may do well to start by taking foreigners seriously. The above statistic makes Korean education look like an absolute farce. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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That's really eerie, because I just read a related article:
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American students confused by university hiring policy
Students at Kountry-time Khristian aKademy are confused by the hiring practices of their administrators. Students have been receiving lectures in gibberish for all subjects due to the lack of down home American spoken by the brown people staff. Universities, in order to satiate cries of discrimination in their hiring policy, have replaced all white professors with monkeys from the brown countries. Students are struggling with their new burden of having to speak twenty different and unrelated languages in order to understand their lectures.
"I thought I was taking a class in America, where the professors would speak the language of the country and citizens they are teaching. Globalization sucks", said Amysue Jones, a freshman at Kountry-time. She is not alone; mass demonstrations are planned all week as students are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their Brown People lectures.
"They are everywhere now. We have foreign janitors, parking lot attendants and even foreign foods in the cafeteria. I thought this was America and that we had our own language and culture; I thought we were able to employ our own citizens." The planned demonstrations are likely to have little effect on administrators who are expected to continue to flood the universities with unnecessary foreign staff. "We want to be seen as a fully developed nation, even if we have to act like retards to do it", says an administrator at a high-ranking university, speaking on terms of anonymity, fearing backlash if his name is used.
White professors have filed numerous lawsuits and held vigils, staging sit-ins around campuses across the country, but nobody cares. |
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