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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: American Consulate in Busan for Apostille? |
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My Korean friend called Busan immigration and was told that the criminal background check could be done at the American Consulate in Busan.
First, is this true? Second, where is the American Consulate in Busan? |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: American Consulate in Busan for Apostille? |
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| Trevor wrote: |
My Korean friend called Busan immigration and was told that the criminal background check could be done at the American Consulate in Busan.
First, is this true? Second, where is the American Consulate in Busan? |
No, it is not true. That can't even be done at the embassy.
And the APP/consulate in Busan does all of its consular stuff through the embassy in Seoul. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: American Consulate in Busan for Apostille? |
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I heard that although the embassy/cosulate cannot apostille, they can notarize which, I am told the Immigration department will accept in lieu of an apostille.
By the way, does anybody have the number for the embassy?
Thanks.
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| Trevor wrote: |
My Korean friend called Busan immigration and was told that the criminal background check could be done at the American Consulate in Busan.
First, is this true? Second, where is the American Consulate in Busan? |
No, it is not true. That can't even be done at the embassy.
And the APP/consulate in Busan does all of its consular stuff through the embassy in Seoul. |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: American Consulate in Busan for Apostille? |
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| Trevor wrote: |
I heard that although the embassy/cosulate cannot apostille, they can notarize which, I am told the Immigration department will accept in lieu of an apostille.
By the way, does anybody have the number for the embassy?
Thanks. |
You have a mix of fact and fiction going there.
Yes, the embassy provides notarial services, for a fee. But a notary is a statement by a designee of a government that a signature does in fact belong to the person who signed something.
They have a couple different kinds of notarial services. This is from the embassy website:
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Acknowledgement of Execution
An Acknowledgement of Execution is used for legal agreements, business documents, etc. It is also used when more than two signatures are required on the document but all of the parties who must sign are not present. We can notarize (or acknowledge) only the signatures of those who are present to sign in front of us or appear in front of us and verify that they have signed the document. |
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Administration of Oath
An Administration of Oath is used on documents that require a sworn affidavit. This format cannot be used unless all persons who are to sign the document are present. |
So yes, Korean immi may accept something notarized, but you can't get it notarized...sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
In terms of calling, telephone inquiries are accepted daily from 9:00-10:00 a.m.and 3:30-4:30 p.m. The Embassy switchboard's number is 02-397-4114. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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You can't get a background check notarized at the U.S. Embassy, this is true.
What you CAN do is execute an affidavit at the Embassy, which they will then notarize, stating that your background check is true and accurate. An official of Korean Immigration has indicated in a public forum (Korea Times column) and e-mail correspondence (reposted on this message board) that this constitutes acceptable authentication for applicants in Korea.
Excellent post outlining the affidavit procedure and providing a sample form and language: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1485586#1485586 |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Ut videam wrote: |
You can't get a background check notarized at the U.S. Embassy, this is true.
What you CAN do is execute an affidavit at the Embassy, which they will then notarize, stating that your background check is true and accurate. An official of Korean Immigration has indicated in a public forum (Korea Times column) and e-mail correspondence (reposted on this message board) that this constitutes acceptable authentication for applicants in Korea.
Excellent post outlining the affidavit procedure and providing a sample form and language: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1485586#1485586 |
Really? You can execute an affidavit that YOU YOURSELF make that says the background check is accurate? If that is true, then hell, you can just print up your own report, and execute an affidavit to the same effect. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| If anyone out there has successfully executed an affadavit through the embassy, I would like to hear from them. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| Rumple wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
You can't get a background check notarized at the U.S. Embassy, this is true.
What you CAN do is execute an affidavit at the Embassy, which they will then notarize, stating that your background check is true and accurate. An official of Korean Immigration has indicated in a public forum (Korea Times column) and e-mail correspondence (reposted on this message board) that this constitutes acceptable authentication for applicants in Korea.
Excellent post outlining the affidavit procedure and providing a sample form and language: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1485586#1485586 |
Really? You can execute an affidavit that YOU YOURSELF make that says the background check is accurate? If that is true, then hell, you can just print up your own report, and execute an affidavit to the same effect. |
Sure�and if the report is fake or altered in any way, make yourself liable to a federal perjury charge in the United States, as well as whatever Korea slaps you with for violating immigration laws. An affidavit, after all, is a legal statement under oath, and one executed before a consular officer of the United States in an American diplomatic mission is governed by federal law. Making a false statement under oath is perjury. |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ut videam wrote: |
| Rumple wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
You can't get a background check notarized at the U.S. Embassy, this is true.
What you CAN do is execute an affidavit at the Embassy, which they will then notarize, stating that your background check is true and accurate. An official of Korean Immigration has indicated in a public forum (Korea Times column) and e-mail correspondence (reposted on this message board) that this constitutes acceptable authentication for applicants in Korea.
Excellent post outlining the affidavit procedure and providing a sample form and language: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1485586#1485586 |
Really? You can execute an affidavit that YOU YOURSELF make that says the background check is accurate? If that is true, then hell, you can just print up your own report, and execute an affidavit to the same effect. |
Sure�and if the report is fake or altered in any way, make yourself liable to a federal perjury charge in the United States, as well as whatever Korea slaps you with for violating immigration laws. An affidavit, after all, is a legal statement under oath, and one executed before a consular officer of the United States in an American diplomatic mission is governed by federal law. Making a false statement under oath is perjury. |
This won't fly, and the Koreans won't accept it. The US Embassy has stated as much their web page... |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Rumple wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
| Rumple wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
You can't get a background check notarized at the U.S. Embassy, this is true.
What you CAN do is execute an affidavit at the Embassy, which they will then notarize, stating that your background check is true and accurate. An official of Korean Immigration has indicated in a public forum (Korea Times column) and e-mail correspondence (reposted on this message board) that this constitutes acceptable authentication for applicants in Korea.
Excellent post outlining the affidavit procedure and providing a sample form and language: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1485586#1485586 |
Really? You can execute an affidavit that YOU YOURSELF make that says the background check is accurate? If that is true, then hell, you can just print up your own report, and execute an affidavit to the same effect. |
Sure�and if the report is fake or altered in any way, make yourself liable to a federal perjury charge in the United States, as well as whatever Korea slaps you with for violating immigration laws. An affidavit, after all, is a legal statement under oath, and one executed before a consular officer of the United States in an American diplomatic mission is governed by federal law. Making a false statement under oath is perjury. |
This won't fly, and the Koreans won't accept it. The US Embassy has stated as much their web page... |
Where have they stated this? Please provide links, because otherwise it's your word against an Immigration official's statements and U.S. Embassy policy:- The Immigration official has stated that, for applicants in Korea, they will accept a background check with a consular-notarized statutory declaration from the applicant in lieu of an apostille.
- The Canadian Embassy in Seoul is advising Canadian citizens to use this method to get their background checks authenticated.
- The equivalent to a statutory declaration under American law is an affidavit.
- The Embassy webpage says that they can notarize an affidavit, and the poster in the thread I linked above successfully executed such an affidavit at the embassy in Seoul.
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: |
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The absurdity of this is growing every day.
Can you imagine a group of people trying to guess how to obtain a driver's license because the DMV won't post clear guidelines on licensing procedures? Some say theres a written test. Others say a road test. Still others say you just need to get a sworn affadavit from you dad saying that you know how to drive....  |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Ut videam]Where have they stated this? Please provide links, because otherwise it's your word against an Immigration official's statements and U.S. Embassy policy:- The Immigration official has stated that, for applicants in Korea, they will accept a background check with a consular-notarized statutory declaration from the applicant in lieu of an apostille.
- The Canadian Embassy in Seoul is advising Canadian citizens to use this method to get their background checks authenticated.
- The equivalent to a statutory declaration under American law is an affidavit.
- The Embassy webpage says that they can notarize an affidavit, and the poster in the thread I linked above successfully executed such an affidavit at the embassy in Seoul.
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http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=109571 |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Setting the record straight |
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In the newsletter quoted in that thread, the Embassy states that they cannot notarize or certify background checks. Funny, I seem to recall stating the same thing earlier in this thread:
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| You can't get a background check notarized at the U.S. Embassy, this is true. |
Here are the facts: Please read more carefully, rumple, before you erroneously state that something is not possible. Contrary to your assertions, it is possible to execute an affidavit at the embassy attesting to the authenticity of a background check, and they will notarize such an affidavit. So far, we don't know for sure whether Korean Immigration will accept this method of authentication. But�again contrary to your assertions�we also don't know that they won't, and there have been several indications that they will. |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Setting the record straight |
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He never stated whether or not his background check was accepted.
And I have the right to read as carefully or as sloppily as I like before making erroneous statements. It's a free country. Deal with it.
Last edited by Rumple on Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:05 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Setting the record straight |
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| Rumple wrote: |
He never stated whether or not his background check was accepted. |
Well, now he has stated that it was accepted: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1496633#1496633
Mind you, he was only extending his sojourn with the same employer, so he didn't even need the CRC as it's well before March 15th. So, I'd say my previous statement...
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| So far, we don't know for sure whether Korean Immigration will accept this method of authentication. |
... still holds true. |
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