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[fiveeagles]

gay film and having Allah as the coach. The ultimate test of freedom of expression. What would really tip the scales is if it was done in the Davinchi code style. Like all the Muslims were trying to hide this big conspiracy and it was uncovered by IGTG.

[igotthisguitar]

[fiveeagles]

Actually, it sounded pretty good when I was thinking about it. haha. Other than the gay part.

[thepeel]

I'm sure somebody will make one. It would be quite funny. Have them blow on the recitation.

[JMO]

[fiveeagles]

Yeah, we would be rushing out the



to protest! Or maybe we would line up one of our friends to kill the producer,

[thepeel]

[Ya-ta Boy]

[thepeel]

The artist is an Iranian muslim who was protesting the treatment of homosexuals in Iran. She was trying to use the Dutch tradition of freedom to protest the thugs in her home country. But the thugs followed her, and ya-ta compares her to a slave master.


You're right. This is fascinating. A muslim protesting Iranian treatment of gays gets called out for being a "slave master" by a lefty white American man.

[thepeel]

[Czarjorge]

I gotta agree with peel here. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, you don't get to cherry pick what is acceptable speech. That's why you can deny the holocaust in the US.

You can't start going down that slope without slipping depending on whose deciding what's acceptable speech. I think most of what come out of conservatives mouth's is hateful and it makes me want to punch them, which is clearly not as bad as wanting to blow myself up, but that's on me, not on them.

[Ya-ta Boy]

I was speaking to the general phenomenon, rather than this one specific case; more about the guy mentioned the other day. (I don't really see how an Iranian in Holland is going to effectively protest treatment of gays in Iran, but that isn't what I was talking about.) That should have been clear from my post. I muddled my position by mentioning art and I shouldn't have. I had those Danish cartoons in mind.

I considered the slippery slope argument, but decided against it. The real threat to freedom of expression is coming from those who use the shelter of the right to abuse it.

[thepeel]

Sure sure. Nice try. Maybe now you will call Obama an "Uncle Tom" for pulling an establishment line rather than joining the new black panther party, eh? See, I would never do that because I know that culture/race/ethnicity are social constructions and that some social constructions are far more humane than others. People like me defend individual rights regardless of the constructed tribe that may be in question.

A gay muslim woman protesting the hanging of her kin in Iran as a "slave master".

And I'm the one who doesn't respect Western values. Heh.

It was what you were talking about. But you were too honest this time and got caught. Nice-uh!

[On the other hand]

I agree with Yata Boy in part. I doubt that these artists were just going along their merry way, innocently producing artistic explorations of religious themes, and were shocked to discover that their works had offended Muslim extremists. Clearly, by this point, it is pretty foreseeable that this kind of art is gonna produce a pretty negative reaction from the extremists.

I disagree with YaTa's proposals for a new law, as such legislation would, in effect, be a blasphemy law, which is not something I think we should be implementing in western democracies. But I'm against Germany's holocaust-denial laws as well.

[thepeel]