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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: . . . Reply with quote

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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can explain why your Korean students complain about writing assignments:
Excuse the pun, but creative writing is totally foreign to Korean students.
I doubt if you would have this problem if the homework consisted of multiple choice and fill-in-the-blank.

Here in Korea, we get blank stares every time the student book calls for any creative writing.
I've tried saying, "Write it in Korean, then, and we will worry about having it translated later."
I still got blank stares, because they never even did any creative work in Korean.

Sometimes I marvel that there are books and magazines written in Korean.
I frankly wonder who writes those books and magazines.
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mateomiguel



Joined: 16 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Sometimes I marvel that there are books and magazines written in Korean.
I frankly wonder who writes those books and magazines.


You should ask some Korean people what those books and magazines say. You can get another marvel when they tell you "it has no meaning" or "I don't know."

I'm starting to get the impression that written Korean is not really a language in and of itself, but more like shorthand for Chinese and/or English.
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Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CharlieDD wrote:
Except for the Korean, none of the other students could point to where Korea was on the map. Some pointed to Taiwan. One pointed to the Hong Kong area. The others simply had no idea. These same students, when prompted to do so, pointed out Japan without fail.


In their defence, it's hardly the most famous, significant of countries.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
CharlieDD wrote:
Except for the Korean, none of the other students could point to where Korea was on the map. Some pointed to Taiwan. One pointed to the Hong Kong area. The others simply had no idea. These same students, when prompted to do so, pointed out Japan without fail.


In their defence, it's hardly the most famous, significant of countries.


I think that's the point.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seems their teachers are lacking.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
I can explain why your Korean students complain about writing assignments:
Excuse the pun, but creative writing is totally foreign to Korean students.
I doubt if you would have this problem if the homework consisted of multiple choice and fill-in-the-blank.

Here in Korea, we get blank stares every time the student book calls for any creative writing.
I've tried saying, "Write it in Korean, then, and we will worry about having it translated later."
I still got blank stares, because they never even did any creative work in Korean.

Sometimes I marvel that there are books and magazines written in Korean.
I frankly wonder who writes those books and magazines.


That's weird--I did creative writing with elementary students at a summer camp here and also do creative writing each week with my after school class at my public school. My younger kids came up with hysterical stuff--really, really unique, while with my middle school kids, it's a mixed bag. One boy couldn't think of anything but the boy next to him wrote a depressing short story called "Death of the Bears" and another girl wrote about Christmas elves invading our school.

Also, I taught creative writing at summer arts programs in Wash., D.C., and it was much of the same thing. I had some brilliant kids and others that couldn't even get ten words on the page.

So...your comment just comes off as extremely amusing to me.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ardis, instead of going



at me for not doing a job as well as you did,
how about doing something constructive--like describing how you did it.
That could help me, that could help the OP, that could help my students, and that could help the OP's students.
That could even create a ripple, so there is no telling who else it could help.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean students in Korea can't find Korea on a world map.

Seriously.

I put a world map on the wall and for months a student at one time or another, when they eventually locate it (with plenty of hints), would bemoan how small Korea is. Laughing

Look at the map books they learn from in school: they're FULL of maps of every place in the world, but not a single map of the whole world, amazing as that seems, no context reference for the students, as they first look at a huge full page map of Korea (NOT South Korea either) and then next page a map of China with no connection inbetween and they get a sense they are about the same size. Laughing Laughing

Back home one can laugh at the inflated ego of some people but here it is a full blown nationalistic imperative.
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shantaram



Joined: 10 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder about kids at my school being taught the Koguryeo map at age 7. I think it must have confused them.

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inukshuk



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Location: korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you've managed to prove that they are foreigners. You've also proven that Korea is a very small sized country.
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happeningthang



Joined: 26 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every Korean kid I've asked has been able to find Korea without any problems.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
how about doing something constructive--like describing how you did it.


tomato,

Take a look at An Ajosshi's Story #75 that I posted today. It tells how I did it and includes several examples of the end result.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My kids weren't aware Korea was in Asia. One kid pointed to Kamchatka thinking it was Korea. But they could all find Japan and knew Dokdo was an island (they were hard pressed to name more than two islands). When asked what ocean Korea was on, they said "the east sea".

This leads me to believe Korean geography is basically taught from the perspective of "who screwed us over and what we've been screwed over on".

And nothing funnier then going to the "World Food Court" and finding it's all Korean food plus Burger King. BK makes it "world".
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crash bang



Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Location: gwangju

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

finding korea on a world map should be easy. it's the country thats the most Sparkling (TM)
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