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The integrity of after school programs.

 
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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: The integrity of after school programs. Reply with quote

For those who really know.....or have a good idea.


Are they ALL illegal, in some form?
Do all of these programs require the second bank account, third party
payment scenarios?

Are any of them legit?

Has anyone had a good experience with them?

Can anyone tell me about GMSC recruiting (yes, I know there is a search function but I'm looking for updated information).


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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: The integrity of after school programs. Reply with quote

dmbfan wrote:
For those who really know.....or have a good idea.


Are they ALL illegal, in some form?

NO

Do all of these programs require the second bank account, third party
payment scenarios?

NO

Are any of them legit?

Many of them are under the direct control of the school are are legit.

Has anyone had a good experience with them?

Some people have - especially with those programs that are NOT run by outside 3rd parties.

Can anyone tell me about GMSC recruiting (yes, I know there is a search function but I'm looking for updated information).

Sorry - nothing new

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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, why play with fire? If you have a genuine diploma, then apply for a public school job. Don't take a chance of one of those crappy after-school jobs that always seem to end badly.
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jangsalgida



Joined: 11 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you already have an E-2 visa sponsor and can work at one as a 2nd employer, it could be good(but don't expect to be considered an employee). I don't think I'd want to work at one as an only employer.

The pay is the same as a regular hagwon(but the hours are usally a little less). They may or may not say they will pay severance, probably won't pay pension, and will consider you as an Independent Contractor which means you are responsible for filing your own taxes which are I don't know how much you'll have to pay as opposed to a regular "employee."

I don't know how they continue to get away with it. I'm currently in court on the issue.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jangsalgida wrote:
If you already have an E-2 visa sponsor and can work at one as a 2nd employer, it could be good(but don't expect to be considered an employee). I don't think I'd want to work at one as an only employer.

The pay is the same as a regular hagwon(but the hours are usally a little less). They may or may not say they will pay severance, probably won't pay pension, and will consider you as an Independent Contractor which means you are responsible for filing your own taxes which are I don't know how much you'll have to pay as opposed to a regular "employee."

I don't know how they continue to get away with it. I'm currently in court on the issue.


Did you work for Jack Lee and his BNC Action English company?

I wish you the best of luck in your court case.

Sincerely,

R
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Mr. Susan



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: death row

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: The integrity of after school programs. Reply with quote

dmbfan wrote:
For those who really know.....or have a good idea.

I work for an after school program in Ilsan (and know of many more)


Are they ALL illegal, in some form?

They aren't illegal, but they are probably doing something illegal. Like not paying something they are supposed to pay, giving warnings for asking questions, or just trying to make your life hell.

Do all of these programs require the second bank account, third party
payment scenarios?

No. Some might, but I've only heard of one case of it from a guy in Osan.

Are any of them legit?

I'm going to say, "No" on this one. They take forever to get anything done. They will give you the worst apartment possible (you'll be lucky to have power). If students leave, you are blamed and your Korean teacher loses money. They'll say you can work a 2nd job, but your schoo lsays you can't.

Has anyone had a good experience with them?

I highly doubt it. If something sounds too good to be true (2.2 mil for 4 hours a day), then it probably is too good to be true.

Can anyone tell me about GMSC recruiting (yes, I know there is a search function but I'm looking for updated information).

I assume they're a bunch of c*nts like ASN International. Stay far away from the after school program.

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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our after school program is excellent value/quality for the money.
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Mr. Susan



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: death row

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Our after school program is excellent value/quality for the money.


Sure.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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Mr. Susan



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pfft
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah?
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pandemic902



Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Location: Dorim-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hijack the thread, but regardless of the risk I'm interested in pursuing an after-school job in September. Can't argue that 5-6 classes of 15 students a day and no desk time is attractive.

Can anyone recommend a good agency? Please PM....
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would never do that job through an agency. The last AS teacher we had at my PS they fired in the 11 month on some trumped up non-reason. He was working through some sort of agency.
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Lekker



Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After school program here. Couldn't be happier. I signed a contract with the school. The school pays me. I went to the Pension office to see who was paying into my pension account, and sure enough, it was from the school. I looked at my pay stub and went to the bank to see who was paying me, and sure enough, it was the school.

I work 5 hours a day. That's it. I have five classes. The kids are kids but the job is so fn easy, someone with downs syndrome could do what I do.

The pay is great, not amazing, but in comparison to what everything else was, it's pretty good.

My housing is great. I like it a lot. I was able to find it myself. They pay the rent up to 400 per month, I pay 50 a month. They pay key money, 5 million.

With this schedule, I can do what I want. The contract doesn't say that I cant. Not that I condone such activities that fall outside of my jurisdiction.

There is NO second bank account here. If they ask me to open one, I will tell them no and that will be that, but they haven't done it yet.

I didn't find this job via the internet. Someone put me in touch with someone else. Are there better jobs out there, yeah, are there worse? Definitely. Am I happy where I am right now? Yes. It's so easy, again, someone with downs could do this.
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dharma bum



Joined: 15 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've actually been thinking about taking on an after-school position. What's so bad about doing it through an agency though? (Just the taxes, etc.?) And how could one get one through a school instead of an agency if that's the better route to go?
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