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GEPIK: Ever been refused your airfare bonus for renewing?
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: GEPIK: Ever been refused your airfare bonus for renewing? Reply with quote

I was.

This is pretty clearly a serious (i.e., it's costing me a significant amount of money) contract violation.

Has anyone had any positive experiences with Dain Bae in getting her to advocate for them in such a situation with their school?
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call her immediately. She has advocated for people in the past. This is a clear violation of contract terms. Update us.
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Countrygirl



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was refused the 100K contract payraise, but that is a grey area in the contract. I kept the job because I had already paid for the airfare for the homeleave and I would have lost out more if I had quit.

There should be no way that the school can refuse to pay your airfare as per the contract. You should get paid within 15 days of when you come back from your home leave.

Yes, keep us updated.

(I really don't understand why management at these schools can't see that they will spend the same or more to get a new teacher and that this penny pinching just leads to bad feelings.)
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My home-leave airfare is gonna cost my school 2.4mill. Gonna buy the tic this week and submit copy of it and the receipt...then go back to the airline and get it refunded. Direct flights to JFK r quite expensive at the moment. Remember, they owe u a round trip DIRECT (non-stop) flight (if ur renewing) to the airport closest to ur home.
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Countrygirl wrote:
I was refused the 100K contract payraise, but that is a grey area in the contract. I kept the job because I had already paid for the airfare for the homeleave and I would have lost out more if I had quit.

There should be no way that the school can refuse to pay your airfare as per the contract. You should get paid within 15 days of when you come back from your home leave.

Yes, keep us updated.

(I really don't understand why management at these schools can't see that they will spend the same or more to get a new teacher and that this penny pinching just leads to bad feelings.)

You might want to read this post.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Remember, they owe u a round trip DIRECT (non-stop) flight (if ur renewing) to the airport closest to ur home.

I think, when you say "non-stop" you mean "no layover", no? For me to go home, it is simply impossible to get a non-stop flight to the airport closest to my home (in my case, Buffalo Airport). I have to change planes a minimum of 2 times: Narita and Chicago/Detroit/Minneapolis. But it's all one flight.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok...u have to stop to get a local connection but u shouldn't have to stop at Narita. Korean air has non-stop to jfk and that's what I'm going with. Of course I could get cheaper ticket if I had to stop in Japan or Anchorage or somewhere but that wouldn't be a direct fligh, now would it? BTW, I've flown in and out of Buffalo airport many times on a friends twin engine plane in the dead of winter in heavy snows. Many times u could just barely make out the runway.
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losing_touch



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a former travel agent, there is a common misconception about the terms used in the airline industry. I assumed spliff knew this by putting non-stop in parenthesis. Non-Stop refers to just that. The plane does not stop. Direct refers to a flight that stops along the way, but it is not needed to change planes. Connecting flights are such that you must switch planes. This is common knowledge for travel agents, but the information is not widely disseminated. =)
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fook! How can u tell whether ur flight is direct or not?
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R. S. Refugee



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. Well, I was holding off on the oddball detail of my situation to get some of your reactions first.

The oddball detail is this: My initial contract was not for a year; it was for 7 months (6 months, 3 weeks to be extact). Why 7 months, you ask. I asked that question also. The answer was this: The original teacher did a runner after 5 months. They weren't sure if they would be able to secure funding for a FT for a second year. Hence, the 7-month contract.

But then they were able to get the funding so they signed me on for a new 1-year contract. The wording in the contract doesn't allow for any exclusion from the round-trip airfare bonus if the initial contract is less than a year. It is, in fact, the standard GEPIK 2007 contract and says that if I renew for one year, I get the round-trip airfare (up to 75% of the cost of a Korean Air Lines econo seat as they stated it in the 2007 contract) plus 14 days extra leave INCLUSIVE of weekends and holidays.

The mistake they made if they wanted to take away my airfare renewal bonus was that they didn't bother to re-write that provision. So, I took the job with the expectation (silly me, this is Korea) that the contract meant what it says and that I was promised this renewal bonus.

I've already consulted with a free contract expert about this at a free clinic, and he said I was right and they are wrong. When I talked to him about getting that opinion in writing, he said that I must be careful not to piss them off and seeing a written opinion from an outside expert might piss them off and have some negative effects on my employment there as I have 10 more months on my current contract there.

Anyway, I figure one of less atagonistic approaches to resolving this impass in my favor would be to get my GEPIK rep, Dain Bae, to be pro-active with them. Hence, one of the things I was asking about in particular in this post was whether any of you have had any positive experiences with her acting on your behalf in a disagreement with your school.

Savvy? (I love saying, "Savvy?" Something I've picked up from Captain Jack Sparrow in the Pirates of the Carribbean trilogy. Very Happy Laughing Very Happy )


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losing_touch



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Fook! How can u tell whether ur flight is direct or not?


It depends on the system. Generally, one would look for an indication like (1) next to the flight confirming that there is a stop en route. It should be clear on any itinerary. It is just a matter of terminology. =)
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it matters the duration. It's what the contract says. You should get all the entitlements the contract provides. If they didn't want to pay the airfare or give you the extra time off they should have taken those parts out or changed the wording to "if the employee works a full year" or smething like that.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

losing_touch wrote:
spliff wrote:
Fook! How can u tell whether ur flight is direct or not?


It depends on the system. Generally, one would look for an indication like (1) next to the flight confirming that there is a stop en route. It should be clear on any itinerary. It is just a matter of terminology. =)


Okay, so how much is the cheapest RT direct airfare from icn to jfk leaving aug 15 return sept 2.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Ok...u have to stop to get a local connection but u shouldn't have to stop at Narita. Korean air has non-stop to jfk and that's what I'm going with.

I don't fly to JFK. Using Chicago, Detroit, or Minneapolis as my connecting flight to Buffalo, it ALWAYS goes through Narita first. Never had a direct flight to the States (on my way to Buffalo). Of course, other destinations are different and may not stop in Narita at all.

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Of course I could get cheaper ticket if I had to stop in Japan or Anchorage or somewhere but that wouldn't be a direct fligh, now would it?

It's direct. It just happens to have a connecting flight.

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BTW, I've flown in and out of Buffalo airport many times on a friends twin engine plane in the dead of winter in heavy snows. Many times u could just barely make out the runway.

No need to convince me how much Buffalo sucks. I lived their winters and blizzards.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
losing_touch wrote:
spliff wrote:
Fook! How can u tell whether ur flight is direct or not?


It depends on the system. Generally, one would look for an indication like (1) next to the flight confirming that there is a stop en route. It should be clear on any itinerary. It is just a matter of terminology. =)


Okay, so how much is the cheapest RT direct airfare from icn to jfk leaving aug 15 return sept 2.


I was formerly a travel agent. I don't have access to those systems anymore. I go through the same process as everyone else to get tickets these days. Confused
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