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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: Can Republicans REALLY sink this low?? |
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This is so over-the-top racist, I'm half-seriously wondering if it's an "Iron My Shirt" fifth-column operation. But the Republican club in question has apologized for mailing it out, so I guess it's legit. Bizarre.
(I linked to this from Andrew Sullivan who, as I'm sure Kuros will agree, must have gone through a lot of gut-wrenching agony over whether or not to help the McCain camp shoot itself in the mouth.)
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, I don't wanna put any of my American friends on the spot here, but I'm curious about this woman's explanation...
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Fedele said she got the illustration in a number of chain e-mails and decided to reprint it for her members in the Trumpeter newsletter because she was offended that Obama would draw attention to his own race. She declined to say who sent her the e-mails with the illustration.
An Inland Republican women�s group sent out a newsletter showing this fake $10 �food stamp� with Barack Obama�s face on it.
She said she doesn't think in racist terms, pointing out she once supported Republican Alan Keyes, an African-American who previously ran for president.
"I didn't see it the way that it's being taken. I never connected," she said. "It was just food to me. It didn't mean anything else."
She said she also wasn't trying to make a statement linking Obama and food stamps, although her introductory text to the illustration connects the two: "Obama talks about all those presidents that got their names on bills. If elected, what bill would he be on????? Food Stamps, what else!"
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Just out of curiousity, how plausible do you find it to be that this woman, the head of a political club in California, could be totally unaware of the implications of putting fried chicken and watermelon on a campaign leaflet criticizing a black candidate? I am Canadian, and am aware of that particular stereotype, though admittedly I probably follow American racial issues more closely than most of my countrymen.
The Kool-aid thing I wasn't aware of until I saw the latest Harold and Kumar movie a few weeks back. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| how plausible do you find it to be that this woman, the head of a political club in California, could be totally unaware of the implications |
Exactly and precisely as plausible as that 50 year old Georgia Congressman not knowing the implications of 'uppity'. Zero.
The woman is a fool. She sounds as dumb as the daughter of the richest lawyer in town who said, "I'm tired of poor people complaining about how hard their life is. Why don't they get a job?"
I don't get the Kool-Aid reference either. Since the 70's the only thing that has been connected to is the People's Temple true-believer thing where most of the victims happened to be black. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't get the Kool-Aid reference either. Since the 70's the only thing that has been connected to is the People's Temple true-believer thing where most of the victims happened to be black. |
As I said, it was referenced in Harold And Kumar, though the reference would probably go over the head of those(like me) who didn't know about the stereotype.
Here is an imdb discussion about the scene in question.
http://tinyurl.com/3op4m7 |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha, yeah, Andrew Sullivan is "Of no party or clique," in the same way that Fox News is "Fair and Balanced."
But, man, Fried Chicken and Watermelon on a $10 bill of Food Stamps? Yeah, that's beginning to look a lot like racism. Although she is clearly not racist, because she supported Alan Keyes (which opens her up to worse charges than merely racism).
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| This is what keeps African-Americans from joining the Republican Party. I'm really hurt. I cried for 45 minutes. |
That and the policies.
But here's the thing. I don't think this is how the Republican Party views African-Americans. This is certainly coming from the grassroots. However, the GOP knew this wouldn't fly:
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Warren forwarded an electronic version of the newsletter to the California Republican Party headquarters, where officials also were outraged Wednesday and denounced the illustration.
Hector Barajas, the party's press secretary, said the party chairman likely will have a conversation with Fedele, and Barajas will attend the statewide California Federation of Republican Women conference this weekend in Los Angeles to handle any news media there to cover the controversy. |
Its hard to be racist in the internet age and not have it backfire.
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox News is fair and balanced. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard the guy yell that it was racist as the pop was getting poured, but being Black myself, it still made no sense. |
That's from one of the comments from the link OTOH posted. I agree. I've never heard it before either. Maybe it's a California thing???
There's no objective reason for many minorities not being conservative in political views. It's largely the result of incidents like this that keep the GOP overwhelmingly white. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Fox News is fair and balanced. |
Yeah, I'm sure it must seem that way if you're a Republican. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I went off and did some dishes and chores and this topic kept nagging at me. The more I thought about it, the stranger it seems. The woman must be totally clueless as to how other people think and feel. She must have been busy polishing her silver spoon when they were handing out the empathy gene.
I'm having trouble with the idea she is not racist because she once supported Alan Keyes. Skin color is not an issue when they share a common viewpoint, but when viewpoints differ, first attack the skin tone. Something doesn't add up. |
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yawarakaijin
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Did anyone see a couple placards being held up at one of McCains recent gatherings? Sorry I can't remember what page I saw it on.
In nice red, white and blue.. OSAMA BIN LYIN!
Holy shit. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those douches holding those signs. This is the party that is going to reach across the aisle and solve America's problems? Sure, easy enough to do when feel openly free to associate the leader of the opposite party with Osama bin Laden himself. 
McCain might be a good man. The majority of Republicans...well maybe 25% might be good people. I just can't imagine anyone throwing their suppourt behind a party that includes such people.
Let's also make a distinction here. I know there are kooky left wingers out there who hold up signs depicting Bush as a Nazi but honestly I have never seen any of these signs at any of Obama's rallies. Bush is so far from being a Nazi that it is pathetic for people to flash those placards. It's done for shock value, no one is going to gather the western armies and launch a D-day style attack on America to liberate the world from American tyranny. Mossad agents won't be running around Iowa taking down republican leaders.
The stuff that comes from some republicans is however, i believe, inherantly divisive and dangerous. Slandering a black presidential candiate as a watermelon eating donkey when a very good percentage of your own citizenry is black is on a totally different level. Equating a politician to Osama bin Laden, a very real and current threat, while at the same time whipping up hatred against muslims in your own coutry is on a totally differenty level. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks like all that racism I was told about really was swept under a rug. How naive of me to think otherwise. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| The stuff that comes from some republicans is however, i believe, inherantly divisive and dangerous. Slandering a black presidential candiate as a watermelon eating donkey when a very good percentage of your own citizenry is black is on a totally different level. Equating a politician to Osama bin Laden, a very real and current threat, while at the same time whipping up hatred against muslims in your own coutry is on a totally differenty level. |
I saw a clip with those signs on Keith Olbermann. You're right that there are kooks everywhere and you can't stop them from showing up at a public rally. What you can do is not create an atmosphere of acceptance of them and that is the beef I have with this campaign. What you can do is not incite them.
There's a clip of Obama speaking somewhere and he mentions McCain and some in the crowd start booing. Obama says, "We don't need that" and starts to continue, then stops and says, "What we need to do is vote!" Now that's how a candidate should act in those situations.
One big part of leadership is appealing to people's better nature. Hate and fear does not fit into that definition. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Fox News is fair and balanced. |
If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you. Prime real estate, right next to New York. |
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TexasPete
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The stuff that comes from some republicans is however, i believe, inherantly divisive and dangerous. Slandering a black presidential candiate as a watermelon eating donkey when a very good percentage of your own citizenry is black is on a totally different level. Equating a politician to Osama bin Laden, a very real and current threat, while at the same time whipping up hatred against muslims in your own coutry is on a totally differenty level. |
I saw a clip with those signs on Keith Olbermann. You're right that there are kooks everywhere and you can't stop them from showing up at a public rally. What you can do is not create an atmosphere of acceptance of them and that is the beef I have with this campaign. What you can do is not incite them.
There's a clip of Obama speaking somewhere and he mentions McCain and some in the crowd start booing. Obama says, "We don't need that" and starts to continue, then stops and says, "What we need to do is vote!" Now that's how a candidate should act in those situations.
One big part of leadership is appealing to people's better nature. Hate and fear does not fit into that definition. |
Frankly, the McCain campaign whether Mc Cain likes it or not, is associated with bigoted elements. There are people trying to claim that a person who is half East African is an Arab because one of his ancestors once went to Zanzibar and converted to Islam eventually leading for Barak to have an Arabic first name and middle name. However, 90% of Obama's tribe is Christian, they are the Luos. So, obviously, many people of Obama's father's ethnicity and clan are Christian. Yet, things are distorted so badly by the other side, and there are leaflets trying to connect Obama to terrorism, to even insinuate he is not African American, though it's pretty obvious that his father was African from the way Obama looks and from what the people of Kenya, in fact, say. Kenya just banned one of those right wing wackos who writes stuff to distort the image of Obama. That sounds undemocratic, but I understand where they are coming from.
I think Lewis is right that this could help create a dangerous atmosphere where Obama is labeled by some in the right as a dangerous "Arab", socialist, and with all the folks with guns out there, who knows what would they would do. Lewis is afraid an atmosphere would be created that could lead to a political assasination or strife in the country. Many African Americans are afraid that some people who don't want a black president, would try to kill Obama. Anyway, many of the GOP's partisans are not helping matters when they pass out literature that slander Obama and spread lies about his ethnicity and also stuff that seems anti-black as well. |
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