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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Are you living in the middle class or lower class? Reply with quote

Are you living in the middle class or lower class in Korea? (Consider earnings or salaries)
Are you earning enough to be classified in the middle class?
(Refer to the article below for the salary associated with the middle class)

Different income bracket, different worries in life
By Kim Ki-chan, JoongAng Daily (November 08, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2897093
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Yun Ji-hyeon, 37, who works at Korea Polytechnic Colleges, and her husband, a 38-year-old banker, have a combined salary of 120 million won ($94,786) per year. They live in Dangsan-dong, Seoul, and consider themselves middle class. For the moment, they're not experiencing any financial difficulties, but they're worried about what's going to happen to them later in life....
Yun started attending graduate school last year in preparation for a career change later in life....

Combined salary = 120,000,000 won/year = middle class
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gazz



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are a wank*r for posting this! Be happy Smile or fuc* off!

Nob end! No one owes you anything!!!!

Earn your rights in your school!!!!

5 star nob end!

Go back home to the 'upper class.' They miss you!
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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So some idiot yuppies that make way above average consider themselves middle class, not particularly interesting. What is interesting is how much money they waste on insurance. I wonder how many years they have been paying 550,000 or 2,500,000 each per month respectively? Even though stocks are down, I bet they'd have a tidy sum assuming they have been paying this for years.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gazz wrote:
You are a wank*r for posting this! Be happy :) or fuc* off!
Nob end! No one owes you anything!!!!
Earn your rights in your school!!!!
5 star nob end!
Go back home to the 'upper class.' They miss you!

Into which class does this reply fall: middle class or lower class?

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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all know that the GDP in Korea hovers around $20,000 USD.. We also know that usually only the man of the house works, we also know that even if the woman does work, it's often at a salary that's quite a bit lower than her husband's. We also know that there are many farmers, retail workers, restaurant workers, and blue collar workers that make a pittance. Nevermind all the people who don't work and just live and mooch off their parents.

From a purely salary-oriented perspective, we - particularly the guys, as western-educated males, are at a huge disadvantage. If you're straight out of uni it's a bid different... because what the average ESL teacher makes is about what the 'chobo's get when they first start working at a company. However, once they prove themselves somewhat, the salary goes up and the bonusses get significantly bigger... after a couple of years, they dudes who work at the companies are way ahead of the average ESLer.

Of course, ESLers have a bit more freedom, vacation, etc... and arguably a better quality of life.

Of course, if you're ambitious, it IS possible to make the big bucks here! Unfortunately, most people seem not to be.

Keep posting, RR!! You do good work.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah.
I think the insurance is actually mostly savings.
My wife's got one. She, well me actually, puts in for seven years, waits another seven and gets about double back after all that time - at the same time - your kids and she, not me, are insured for death ins. stuff like that.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Are you living in the middle class or lower class? Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Combined salary = 120,000,000 won/year = middle class


So? Should we measure our happiness and success based on our income relative to others or should it be based on whether it's enough for our needs? I vote for the latter.

My take-home income in the past year was only a third of the amount quoted, but that doesn't bother me: I'm able to save half my income, I'm going on a five week vacation this winter and a six week on this summer, I can afford lots of healthy food, and when I need clothes I buy mid-range designer labels.

If I had a family it might be different, but for a single guy in his mid-twenties I'm doing fine.
And, most importatly: I'm happy and am optimistic about the future.
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Korlingus



Joined: 01 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Are you living in the middle class or lower class? Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Are you living in the middle class or lower class in Korea? (Consider earnings or salaries)
Are you earning enough to be classified in the middle class?
(Refer to the article below for the salary associated with the middle class)

Different income bracket, different worries in life
By Kim Ki-chan, JoongAng Daily (November 08, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2897093
Quote:
Yun Ji-hyeon, 37, who works at Korea Polytechnic Colleges, and her husband, a 38-year-old banker, have a combined salary of 120 million won ($94,786) per year. They live in Dangsan-dong, Seoul, and consider themselves middle class. For the moment, they're not experiencing any financial difficulties, but they're worried about what's going to happen to them later in life....
Yun started attending graduate school last year in preparation for a career change later in life....

Combined salary = 120,000,000 won/year = middle class


RR, I'll bet it stings to be making near the same year after year. With your qualifications, you should be able to score a high paying gig anywhere in Korea or North America, shouldn't you? If you don't like your situation, do something about it or STFU. Somebody call the whambulance!
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cheeseface



Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Ssyangnyeon Shi

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Are you living in the middle class or lower class? Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:

Combined salary = 120,000,000 won/year = middle class


Upper middle if that is the case.
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pidgin



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's more to life than money, kids.

This thread is retarded.

(I'm upper class, btw Wink
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut. Wink
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF do people expect from teachers' salaries?

Teachers don't make much ANYWHERE in the world.

If REALREALITY wants to make 100,000,000 won he should get a job as a banker.
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Freakstar



Joined: 29 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say I'm squarely in the middle class...whether I am living in Korea or in the U.S. But I don't know, if you're going to define middle class solely by our paychecks and not take other factors into account (like education, upbringing, social networks, values, etc.), then please give us an income bracket chart so that those of us who are wondering whether we're lower, middle, upper middle or upper class can more easily "define ourselves." Rolling Eyes

For the record, my individual income alone doesn't equal 120 million KRW, but it's close to 100 million KRW after I recently reupped with my current employer for another year. If you want to throw in my housing, transportation expenses and other perks (which are all paid for by my company), then my income would exceed 120 million KRW since my housing alone is quite expensive. But yes, all other indications would point to my being in the middle class.
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freakstar wrote:
For the record, my individual income alone doesn't equal 120 million KRW, but it's close to 100 million KRW after I recently reupped with my current employer for another year. If you want to throw in my housing, transportation expenses and other perks (which are all paid for by my company), then my income would exceed 120 million KRW since my housing alone is quite expensive. But yes, all other indications would point to my being in the middle class.


If you are clueless, you shouldn't post here.

Thanks.
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justaguy



Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much you make is not a good measure. The purchasing power of your income is a much better indicator. Prices have always been high here reletive to other countries. Problem now is that inflation is sykrocketing on top of that. Everywhere I go prices have gone up on everything. It's getting so bad I don't want to go out anymore.

The reason I chose to teach in this country and not Japan was that I thought Japan was more expensive and I could save more money in Korea. This is no longer the case. Seoul is now more expensive that Tokyo.
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