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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Stigmatisms Reply with quote

Is their a stigma for Korean guys to be seen dating foreign women?
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jammo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=142306
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jammo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=142306
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bundangbabo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the last hagwon I worked at. I had a nice kid in my class who was around 16 years old and I asked him if there were any nice girls in his school and he was like 'no' and I said there were loads of nice English girls who would like him and he said if he walked down the street with an English girl (this was in Changwon) people would give him abuse and would call him a traitor of the Korean race. Rolling Eyes
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jammo wrote:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=142306


Yes, that thread caused me to ask my question. Men and women are different enough to warrent two threads.
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theholyinnocent



Joined: 06 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usual disclaimer: I'm in the US, working with Koreans who are here temporarily.

The men I work with and am friendly with often express anxiety or insecurity when we're hanging out alone in public. If a homeless guy asks me for change, or if a construction worker eyes me, or anything, my friends say, "It's because you are a western girl and I'm an Asian guy, right?" They seem to really have a complex about it. Anytime anyone says or does anything strange, they assume that's the reason why. If a salesperson addresses me rather than my friend, I assume it's because I'm the one speaking English fluently, not because the salesperson is emasculating my friend for his Asian-ness. etc.

They seem to be worried about what westerners will think. I have uncovered a few possible reasons for this. Most of them just think it's really uncommon, and that's as far as it goes. They're worried about standing out. Some of them worry that other people will think I'm a prostitute or trophy girlfriend, since they think all westerners assume that no western women would voluntarily date Asian guys.

Oddly, I have only ever encountered reactions from other Asian men. A Korean taxi driver once asked my co-worker where we met, how he became friends with me, if I was embarrassed to be seen with him in public, etc. One time we were in a (real) Chinese restaurant and some young Asian-American guys came in. They were bitching (quite disrespectfully) about women in general, the women they had unsuccessfully dated specifically, and made a really derogatory comment about how girls like me were with guys who barely even speak English (like my co-worker) because "Everyone speaks money."

So I guess in my experience, in a diverse and liberal US city at least, the only people to attach a stigma to the situation are Asian guys. And in that case it seems to me to be a reaction to a perceived stigma, maybe a stigma that existed a couple decades ago but doesn't occur to most people under 40 or 50 these days. I've never seen anyone except Asian men react to the sight of me and an Asian man at all; but I have seen reactions -- curious, positive, or negative -- from Asian men.


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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theholyinnocent wrote:

The men I work with and am friendly with often express anxiety or insecurity when we're hanging out alone in public. If a homeless guy asks me for change, or if a construction worker eyes me, or anything, my friends say, "It's because you are a western girl and I'm an Asian guy, right?" They seem to really have a complex about it. Anytime anyone says or does anything strange, they assume that's the reason why.


Sounds very familiar.

PS) I compliment the original poster on having perfect eyesight.
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine fade after Easter.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theholyinnocent wrote:

The men I work with and am friendly with often express anxiety or insecurity when we're hanging out alone in public. If a homeless guy asks me for change, or if a construction worker eyes me, or anything, my friends say, "It's because you are a western girl and I'm an Asian guy, right?" They seem to really have a complex about it. Anytime anyone says or does anything strange, they assume that's the reason why.


Probably because in their opinion and in their culture, it WOULD be weird for an Asian guy to be hanging out with a foreign girl, so they are projecting their own insecurity about it.

In reality, it shouldn't be a problem either way.

So, Western girls, start breaking the ice and get busy to dating and hanging out with some Asian guys. They likely won't initiate it first, so it's up to you.
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
theholyinnocent wrote:

The men I work with and am friendly with often express anxiety or insecurity when we're hanging out alone in public. If a homeless guy asks me for change, or if a construction worker eyes me, or anything, my friends say, "It's because you are a western girl and I'm an Asian guy, right?" They seem to really have a complex about it. Anytime anyone says or does anything strange, they assume that's the reason why.


Sounds very familiar.

PS) I compliment the original poster on having perfect eyesight.


Did I mean to sat stigmatas? silly me....
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jandar wrote:
Mine fade after Easter.

lol, prize for triple entendre.
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