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dmbfan
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 Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:00 am Post subject: N.Korea celebrates lanuch and makes NEW threats...... |
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See, Bush new all along what kind of people they are........not to be trusted.
Russia and China backing them up............surprise, surprise.
See, this is what happens when the sunshine policy and appeasement set in.
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3MB
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| What threat? From what I remember they drew the red line at the UNSC meeting to discuss them. The UNSC met. Their threats were empty. Now they make another, empty, impotent threat. All hot air. Pathetic little country. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| What threat? From what I remember they drew the red line at the UNSC meeting to discuss them. The UNSC met. Their threats were empty. Now they make another, empty, impotent threat. All hot air. Pathetic little country. |
Did you even read the article? Seriously...
Pathetic country....with a gripe.
That is a dangerous combination..whether the liberal pussies in the UN want to realize it or not.
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I did. I read several articles on this.
Let's see
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| North Korea warned the U.N. Security Council on Tuesday it would take "strong steps" if the 15-nation body took any action in response to the launch. On Wednesday, the Communist-ruled country gathered its top party and military officials for a celebration of the launch broadcast on its state TV and monitored in Seoul. |
But wait, they made an earlier threat that there would be war if the UNSC even met....seems to me like backtracking.
What is NK really going to do? Seriously? Any move on the part of NK would be the green light for the US to do what the US has anted to do for a while, but couldnt because of PR problems stemming from Iraq. Any first step by NK against SK or Japan would automatically take that worry off the table and NK would be wiped out. Screw them. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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They also threatened military action if any of the debris from their bottle rockect was collected. Though, I doubt they would do it.
Yes, I agree...*beep* em. But the longer the world does nothing (sanctions only hurt the people...NOT the goverment) the more they will get away with.
Of course China and Russia don't want to help out. They would rather be a splinter in everyones' side.
*beep* it..............."Strike first, strike hard...no mercy, sir!!!
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Well the Obama adminstrations lack luster response was very discouraging.. they met once, and didnt get anything done... and that seemed to be it..
Obama even said that even though they may not have agreed on anything, that North Korea still didnt win, which is bullcrap.
North Korea ust defied the international community without consequence as well as gained valuable new test data to continue developing its missile programs. All at no international cost.
In general Obamas foreign policy is starting to look scary. Talking with nations is one thing, a good thing yes, but it seems as if were starting this turn-a-blind eye to everything and give them what they want so they will like us sort of thing.
It was also worrying when just yesterday Iran announced that they now had 7,000 centrifuges enriching uranium.
Hillary Clintn downplayed it..hile the FRENCH..the freakin FRENCH expressed more concern then we did!
Wth is going on? |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Why threaten military action if it was collected? It's just junk emitting chemicals sitting at the bottom of the ocean helping to destroy our seafood.
I think the best solution would be to go pluck that thing out of the ocean and deliver it back to North Korea (or at least dispose of it responsibly) and tell them it's OK to send something up to space, but it would be a kind and responsible gesture to retrieve your hardware as it's awful pollution to the world's oceans to let that sit down there since it didn't make it to space.
No ones going to clean up bad pollution like this since it costs money and there's not money to make out of retrieving it. I know America and other nations are guilty of dumping hardware in the oceans associated with rocketry and military operations too. Like that thing that fell out of the sky in the late 1970's into the southern Pacific and the parts dropping off of rockets as they go through phases as well as failed attempts like North Korea's.
If you look at this from 2 perspectives, you can see where North Korea is coming from in their defiance, it's just we don't approve of a Stalinist style regime that leaves a lot to be said with how they treat their people. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Who cares? Do any of you actually think that the DPRK would attack America?
America as global policeman is ending. Adapt to the new paradigm. The DPRK is not a Western problem. Let the Chinese and Koreans deal with them. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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North Korea ust defied the international community without consequence as well as gained valuable new test data to continue developing its missile programs. All at no international cost.
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This is true.
However, there is nothing much the international community could do about it. As long as NK insists it was launching a satellite, it had a right to do so. 'Just because we don't want you to' is not a good enough reason to take action.
Sometimes impotency is an uncomfortable fact of life. |
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ThomasR
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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AS far as I have read NK has not said they WOULD NOT pick up the debris. They are a pathetic country but we need to focus on one point really quick...
Who the hell are we to tell them they cannot do something as simple as launch a harmless rocket?
The rocket caused no harm. Sure it could lead to other things, but nothing that the UN superpowers dont already have. It would be irresponsible for a country like NK to have nuclear weapons, but that surely doesn't mean we can infringe upon their rights as a sovereign nation. The United States, France, Germany etc. all had the right and freedom to develop anything they wanted weapon wise because they agree'd with the mainstream group (the UN) and anyother country, well if you dont agree with us, *beep* you. You cant do anything. The UN is bullshit. This whole issue is. Japan had a right to shoot down the rocket since it entered their airspace. They didnt. No harm caused. Case closed. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Who care
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s? Do any of you actually think that the DPRK would attack America?
America as global policeman is ending. Adapt to the new paradigm. The DPRK is not a Western problem. Let the Chinese and Koreans deal with them. |
Good Lord.............
If you do some research, you will find out that N.Kore has been in dealings with China, Iran, Syria and God knows who else, concerning nuclear technology, chemical weapons...etc.
North Korea IS a Western problem. What....do you actually beleive that China will do anything about it? Do you actually beleive that South Korea has the minerals to step up and handle their own shit? Do you actually beleive that if we turn a blind eye that the Norks will change?
North Korea detonated a nuclear bomb (as far as we know) not less then 2 1/2 years ago. The UN (bunch of clowns) told them NOT to launch ANT ballistics.
Well........if you want to look at it from the Berkley perspective, then I suppose history may repeat itself. After all, showing "understanding" towards Hitler and Mussolini really paid off, eh?
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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North Korea ust defied the international community without consequence as well as gained valuable new test data to continue developing its missile programs. All at no international cost.
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This is true.
However, there is nothing much the international community could do about it. As long as NK insists it was launching a satellite, it had a right to do so. 'Just because we don't want you to' is not a good enough reason to take action.
Sometimes impotency is an uncomfortable fact of life. |
Wrong. Satellite or no, the technology they used to launch it, a taepodong-2 missile, is forbidden by earlier UN Resolutions.
Furthermore data after the launch showed no new objects entering orbit.
The north koreans were forbidden from launching ballistic missiles in 2006, regardless the payload. |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Who cares? Do any of you actually think that the DPRK would attack America?
America as global policeman is ending. Adapt to the new paradigm. The DPRK is not a Western problem. Let the Chinese and Koreans deal with them. |
YOu cant be serious... If you think North Korea is a Chinese/Korean problem only youve got to be joking. North Korea is the biggest proliferator of ballistic missile technology, and recently has started proliferating its nuclear tech, lending assistance to Syria for instance.
The whole concept of problems staying isolated to one part of the globe and not effecting anyone else ended centuries ago, Mises. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Who the hell are we to tell them they cannot do something as simple as launch a harmless rocket?
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Running tests to develop weapons technology disallowed by the United Nations isn't harmless. It's an action taken purely and only to put North Korea in a better position to harm people. For a nation like North Korea, that's all weapon's technology can possibly be: a means to harm others.
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| The rocket caused no harm. Sure it could lead to other things, but nothing that the UN superpowers dont already have. |
It's in a superpower's best interest to limit non-super power's access to advanced weaponry. That goes double when the nation in question is constantly trying to get its way by making threats even when it couldn't possibly act on them. Imagine if it could.
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It would be irresponsible for a country like NK to have nuclear weapons, but that surely doesn't mean we can infringe upon their rights as a sovereign nation.
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Yes, it really does. We can and should infringe on their "sovereign rights" in the name of:
1) Safety for our South Korean allies.
2) Safety for our Japanese allies.
3) Safety for the people of North Korea (there's a reason North Korea is building a wall along it's northern boarder at China's behest: to stop North Koreans from fleeing into China).
If you genuinely consider the rights of North Korea's totalitarian regime more valuable and worthy of preservation than the safety and quality of life of those millions of people, well, I don't know what to tell you.
When it comes to international politics, fair play is the stupidest thing you can possibly consent to. No, North Korea shouldn't be allowed access to the same weapons technologies as more responsible nations like the United States, France, or even China or Russia, for the same reason an angry 10 year old shouldn't be trusted with a gun even though his uncle might own one. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Who cares? Do any of you actually think that the DPRK would attack America? |
No, but I do think they might attack South Korea or Japan, both of whom are valuable allies we have a vested interest in protecting. Russia and China have demonstrated quite handily they don't care about our allies in the region. |
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