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tenchu77491 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009

The situation:

This school (school A) is closing down for construction from July 17th to September 1st. I was told my company (Daekyo) has spoke to the principal ad got permission for me to teach at a second school (school B) until School A starts again. I am now waiting for my Daekyo manager to fix the visa to show 2 schools.

My manager has told me after September first I can work in both schools (I guss she is working on fixing the visa to ok both schools for the rest of my contract). I will work a schedule like MWF at School A, and TTH at School B. In addition to my original salary they will give me 200,000 more won per month as compensation for any troubles and traveling.

My working hours are always 12:00pm to 5:00pm. I was told both schools will stick to this schedule.

QUESTION 1: Is this perfectly legal as long as the visa allows it and I have the proper stamps on my ARC? About how long does this take? As of now I have not begun the process and I am 'supposed' to begin at School B on the 17th. I will tell her I will not work until I have the proper visa stamps or what ever.

QUESTION 2: Would it be too much to request written proof from the principal stating I have permission to work the remaining period of my contract at 2 schools? I feel it's a bit shady since she said 'he has given you permission to work at 2 schools until September' and then she also said I will continue at 2 schools after September... I want this in his words.

QUESTION 3:

If my payment and contract is physically with School A, then my vacation time and payment comes from the school itself and not Daekyo? In this case how does a second school factor in? I am confused about who is paying me exactly. If I work for a second school shouldn't I need a second contract and the whole deal? Even if it's 2 or 3 times a week?

afsjesse · Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

Are we talking about a PS or a Hagwon?

If it's a PS:

Q1: You don't need permission from immigration to work at another school if it's in the same POE. Your contract clearly states that they can make you teach in any POE facility, school, center etc....

Q2: No need to get a written piece of paper because ultimately it's the government paying you. I work at 4 schools and get paid by my main one. In your case School A would still be paying you.

Q3: See above

If it'a a Hagwon:

Q1: Yes, you do need to get permission from immigration and they should write the name of the school on the back of you're ARC.

Q2: Get written permission from the director regarding your 200k extra allowance. No need to mention a second school if it's already on your ARC.

Q3: You don't need a second contract if you have permission to work at a second school. I'd bet any money that your school is being paid by School B to let you work there, and they may be nice enough to let you in on a piece of the pie, hence the 200k.

tenchu77491 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009

I work in an afterschool program in a public school. Daekyo runs the program, and they run many programs in public schools. Daekyo is a private company but I work in a public school and the school itself pays me (I believe). This is where it gets confusing regarding a public school or private school because it's kind of in the middle.

Any ideas regarding this?

PS, my school is in gyonggido but I live in Seoul, and the new school is in Seoul. (Different province but both schools are within a 20 min train ride from my apartment)

afsjesse · Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

Who is your contract sponsored by? If it's the Daekyo company than they just need permission from immi. If it's the school, then you're a PS employee I believe.

CentralCali · Joined: 17 May 2007

Your contract is presumably with that private company. That means that you are not a public school employee. Follow afsjesse's response for hagweon employees.

tenchu77491 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009

afsjesse · Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

tenchu77491 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009

So payment is not something I should worry about if it's coming from the same source.

Now what worries me is the visa regulations (I am on an E2) and according to you working in 2 public schools is ok.

If my original contract states I have 1 week unpaid vacation should I be allowed to take it when I want regardless of the second school? I want to take it from the 17th to 27th (when my first school closes) and then pick up with the second school the following week. Is it ok to request this? I seem to be hitting a wall with my paid vacation (they are fixed on the first week of August).

CentralCali · Joined: 17 May 2007

afsjesse · Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

In my first post I said that both of them had to be in the same POE.

OP: If this second school is in Seoul proper and not Gyeonggi Province, then it is technically illegal for you to work there UNLESS your school get permission from immigration.

As for vacation, for me it's worked out to whatever I deal with for my main PS. My other schools have no say or atleast they haven't thus far. I'd request whatever you want and negotiate from there.

tenchu77491 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009

afsjesse · Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

As I said before..... permission will be written on the BACK OF YOUR ALIENT REGISTRATION CARD!!!! It takes 5 minutes to go to immigration and get this done once your in the front of the line. Just go with your employer and let it be that.

Who the heck is Daekyo??? They have nothing to do with your employment at the school, it's the school who is in charge of you.

EDIT: Perhaps Daekyo sponsors the program or something, but still it's the school who tells you where to go and do what.

tenchu77491 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009

pandemic902 · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Location: Dorim-dong, Seoul

Just call Cleo and ask what to do, eh? Wouldn't worry about it so much...

blonde researcher · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:25 am Post subject:

Your ARC and visa are attached to the public school because only a registered educational premise in Korea can aply to get an E2 visa for a teacher. Daekyo does not have a school premise.

Your employment is managed by Daekyo and this is who you should negotiate with

You will probabaly have a cut and paste template version of a real EPIK contract to make everything look like you are a 'real' public school teacher

Daekyo sells (contracts out ) your services to a public school. The Public school then pays Daekyo the fees from the students in the after school program, and then Daekyo takes off their 'commission' and then pays you.

All your negotiation should only be with the management of Daekyo and if the school/s have a problem with your holidays etc, then they have to take the complaint direct to Daekyo management -not to you !

To make money Daekyo will contract you out to any other public school they make a deal with; so you can work the maximum hours for them to make money from you.

As the other school you will be working at is a licensed educational premise operated by the government you should not need extra immigration permission, whereas a private hagwon owner would need immigration permission to send you to another hagwon to work and have this on your ARC.

You are not South African by chance are you ? Daekyo did a lot of hiring of South Africans into these after school programs last year.