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why can't I meet any non-Christian Koreans?
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noguri



Joined: 28 Nov 2005
Location: korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:28 am    Post subject: why can't I meet any non-Christian Koreans? Reply with quote

I'm a friendly person and I like it when people talk to me on the street.

Usually people who approach and speak to me (whether in Korean or in English) are older folks, or perhaps mostly elderly. I like old timers, they can recall all sorts of history and interesting stuff.

However, what I don't like is that almost all of the adults I meet and chat with at some length at some point bring up their religious affiliation and question me about mine.

I would like to make some Korean friends or acqaintances who are either Christian or non-Christian, but for whom religion is just a private issue. Why is it so important for people to only relate to other Christians? How come these holy rollers just ooze out of the woodwork?

I totally respect people who go to church and that's fine, but why do people have the temerity to ask me on Sunday morning why I don't go to church? It's really nobody's bloody business, is it?
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: why can't I meet any non-Christian Koreans? Reply with quote

noguri wrote:
I'm a friendly person and I like it when people talk to me on the street.

Usually people who approach and speak to me (whether in Korean or in English) are older folks, or perhaps mostly elderly. I like old timers, they can recall all sorts of history and interesting stuff.

However, what I don't like is that almost all of the adults I meet and chat with at some length at some point bring up their religious affiliation and question me about mine.

I would like to make some Korean friends or acqaintances who are either Christian or non-Christian, but for whom religion is just a private issue. Why is it so important for people to only relate to other Christians? How come these holy rollers just ooze out of the woodwork?

I totally respect people who go to church and that's fine, but why do people have the temerity to ask me on Sunday morning why I don't go to church? It's really nobody's bloody business, is it?


This happened to me once.

I didn't have internet at the time and was a PC bang.

Korean: oh. are you a Christian? This is Christian rock music do you like?
Me: me yeah sounds pretty good.
Korean: are you Christian?
Me: no I'm an atheist. I don't believe in Jesus and I reject Christianity. (smile)
Korean: *shocked look on his face*
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gaffe



Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Location: N.C.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you live in Seoul? When I lived in Bucheon, it seemed everyone was a fundie. But in Ulsan I met many many people who'd say stuff like, "I'm not a Christian. I'm not Buddhist. I believe in myself." I just got the feeling that up north was much more Christian than down south.
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Mithrae



Joined: 22 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My principle aasked me on the first day, "Are you Christian?" There should be laws against that. My beliefsa are none of his business and do not affect my ability to teach English.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't meet many Korean Christians.
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my best church lady voice...

Have you asked yourself why you seem to be meeting so many Christians? Maybe there's a reason. A reason like, maybeeee.....God!
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to a different country people. Privacy of religion and such is not the same here as it is back home.

This has its downsides for Christians, people are far more stringent on booze and smokes, two of my preferred vices.

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My principle aasked me on the first day, "Are you Christian?" There should be laws against that. My beliefsa are none of his business and do not affect my ability to teach English.


You're not in Kansas anymore.

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why do people have the temerity to ask me on Sunday morning why I don't go to church? It's really nobody's bloody business, is it?


Privacy concerning certain things isn't the same here. Time to put your tolerance juices to work and suck it up.
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Sergio Stefanuto



Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, the theist:atheist ratio is pretty much 50:50. 'Atheist' in Korea probably means 'Buddhist' most of the time - an equally absurd, obscene dogma - but anyway, the odds of meeting non-Christian Koreans are fairly good.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, any Korean you see on the street from 9am-2pm on a Sunday are probably not Christians.


I definitely wouldn't want the company of the OP. Anyone who's shallow enough to write off people just because of their religion isn't worth talking to, in my opinion.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:

You're not in Kansas anymore.


It's much worse in Kansas.
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kg2095



Joined: 23 May 2009
Location: Hwaseong City

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:

I definitely wouldn't want the company of the OP. Anyone who's shallow enough to write off people just because of their religion isn't worth talking to, in my opinion.


You may want to re-read the OP a little closer.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kg2095 wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:

I definitely wouldn't want the company of the OP. Anyone who's shallow enough to write off people just because of their religion isn't worth talking to, in my opinion.


You may want to re-read the OP a little closer.


I must be working too much. I got what the OP is trying to say now.

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However, what I don't like is that almost all of the adults I meet and chat with at some length at some point bring up their religious affiliation and question me about mine.


I don't see any problem with that. I've had Koreans ask me to go to church with them on Sundays. Why get offended by something like that?
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Princess Soraya



Joined: 30 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived with a family who went to church EVERY good day at 6am (and the 90 year old granny was up at 5am to pray). In retrospect, they never hassled me about being agnostic.
However, last semester I had a fanatic woman in my class continuously tell me that Jesus loves me and that I should get to know him. I thought that it was completely inappropriate in a university setting as it made the other students uncomfortable as well.
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skinhead



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is hard to find a Korean who's not christly religious. They look for foreigners and then go the hard sell every time. Most Koreans' purpose in learning English is to find young inexperienced English teachers and grill them about Jeesus until they convert to Christianity. It makes them higher ranking in their church. So once you know this, you can politely tell them that you're not interested, and then they can like take it or leave it. hey? If you're having difficulty avoiding christian Koreans, you might need to move to Seoul or one of the big cities where there are more non-Korean Christians. Most of the people who live in Seoul really hate religion and won't hesitate to tell a zealous bible-basher to just go fvck off and take a run and jump in a lake. Yeah, it's open season on annoying christians there. I liked it for that reason. I got to spit on some of them. Even some of the more pushy christian Koreans made me really mad and I pushed them to get them to go away, but they still asked me why I wouldn't join their church - and I was like, whatever. It is REALLY annoying. Going to the big city was a much better place to associate with non-christian Koreans for me.
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noguri



Joined: 28 Nov 2005
Location: korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:38 am    Post subject: moving to Ulsan Reply with quote

Hey, Gaffe I'm glad to hear that Ulsan is less evangelical than Seoul. I'm moving to Ulsan on Monday. My wife just got a job there! I'm looking forward to experiencing a new part of Korea.

Coincidentally I also lived in Bucheon and before that, North Carolina.

Well, I did have a student who was planning to become a missionary but he was a very bright and intelligent kid and I liked him and I was interested in hearing about his plans for becoming a missionary. I guess because he never tried to convert ME, he just liked telling me about how useful the things he was learning in my class would be for his missionary work.

Actually, at home (the U.S.) I'm aggressive in telling aggressive proselytizers to stick it where the sun don't shine, but here in Korea I do really try to be on best behavior.

I do suck it up when my neighbors ask me why I don't go to church. I say, "uh, I see your daughter has a violin case. How lovely that she plays the violin at church!" and the neighbor's beaming smile is restored once again.

However, that kind of person isn't a friend. It's just someone I have to maintain superficially friendly relations with.

I would accept an invitation to visit a friend's church if I was already close to that person. I would not accept if it were someone I'm not on close terms with already.
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