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marlow
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 Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: Giving Notice |
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OK, my friend has to go back to Canada, and he wants to quit his job. He feels really bad about doing it, but he has no choice. Anyway, he really likes his job and work environment, but TOTALLY can't trust the administration.
So, he wants to give notice, 30 days, but doesn't trust the fallout. It's a public school, but they are really prone to back stab and [swear filter is in effect] do really bad things.
He doesn't want to leave immediately. He wants to leave in 30 days. He could pull a runner in 30 days of course, but that's the moral low ground. What can the school do if he gives notice? Can they fire him immediately? Or even if he gives notice do they have to give him equal notice to fire him? |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| He could give a 31 day notice, if they don't like it, then just finish the month and then do the runner. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
| He could give a 31 day notice, if they don't like it, then just finish the month and then do the runner. |
What I really want to know is that if he were to give his notice today, could they say, well, since you want to quit, we'll just fire you today? He doesn't want to be on the street today. He needs a job for the next month, but he needs to leave after that. If his choices are get abused by giving notice or pull a runner, he'll pull a runner. But, he doesn't want to do that to his students and co-workers. |
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Clockout
Joined: 23 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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If he suspects they will backstab him them he probably has good reason to feel that way from past experiences.
Until we can trust labor laws to give us reasonable protection then I don't think he owes them anything.
Just pull a runner on payday. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Clockout wrote: |
| Until we can trust labor laws to give us reasonable protection then I don't think he owes them anything. |
I'm trying to figure out if labour law has anything about this. I read it, and it seems to protect him without ever saying anything about this situation exactly.
http://www.molab.go.kr/english/data/LaborStandardsAct.pdf |
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climber159
Joined: 02 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Clockout wrote: |
Until we can trust labor laws to give us reasonable protection then I don't think he owes them anything.
Just pull a runner on payday. |
My opinion as well. But pay your bills and clean your apartment. |
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oldtactics
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| If he gives notice the proper way and tells his coordinator/provincial office, then he should be golden. Even if he doesn't trust his administration, there's a pretty low chance that a public school will fire someone for no reason. I'm sure the work environment will be tense, but his contract should be upheld until he leaves. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| could they say, well, since you want to quit, we'll just fire you today? |
That's why you don't come straight out and say you are leaving. You just tell them you "would like to". Get their reaction and do it little by little, like boiling a frog. LOL, I did this last year. I moved all my stuff into a goshiwon and didn't go into work the next day. So, they couldn't go to the apartment, I simply wasn't there.
Of course they were upset, but I was now a flight risk to them, so they wanted to get rid of me. However, they needed me until they got a replacement. They said "I need 2 weeks to find another teacher". So, usually you give a 1 month notice, 2 were in my contract. I told them if they could get another teacher in 2 weeks, I would just walk away, they wouldn't have to pay me for those 2 weeks. I didn't want to hang around for this 60 day thing to run out and I already had another school lined up.
They jumped on that offer, and I was out after a month (they didn't pay me for the other 2 weeks, out 1.2 million won, oh well). However, I simply didn't prepare for lessons, I did the bare minimum. In return, I got a break in between schools (which might have cost me a flight in and out of the country, so 1.2 wasn't really much of a loss). I also badmouthed the school I left and told students how I really felt. The last month can actually be quite fun  |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Actually LifeinKorea makes a good point! Test the waters first. I have a friend who is in a similar situation. He is going back home to go to school. He want to come back to Korea in the future. I gave him the advice of both running or doing the honorable of giving notice. He did the honorable and he is getting shafted almost working one month free to cover recruiters fee and airplane ticket.
So you are at a hagwon - I would run, get paid and go! Public school I think has more of a bureaucracy so you can generally tell them and they will follow the system/rules (usually!). True there will be hurt feeling that can threaten to explode and make departure bad.
Also check your gut if you think they will be petty and blow up at him going away - run! Otherwise do the honorable. But like lifeinkorea says test the water first!
Hey boss my father is getting remarried I wondering can I get two weeks to go to the wedding!? |
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romano812
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: |
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I worked for a public school. When I quit and gave them my notice (my contract stated 60 days notice) they turned around and fired me. Apparently the labor law states they are required to give 30 days notice, but in the contract the school had written 15 days notice. I stayed the 15 days and the school didn't pay me anything for those days.
So basically being a nice guy and doing the right thing got me screwed. If I ever do it again I will definitely just pull the runner. At the end of the day we don't owe the schools anything, it's just too bad for the children. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I think he decided on notice, mainly on the basis that it will all be over within 30 days regardless. |
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waseige1
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Giving Notice |
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| marlow wrote: |
OK, my friend has to go back to Canada, and he wants to quit his job. He feels really bad about doing it, but he has no choice. Anyway, he really likes his job and work environment, but TOTALLY can't trust the administration.
So, he wants to give notice, 30 days, but doesn't trust the fallout. It's a public school, but they are really prone to back stab and [swear filter is in effect] do really bad things.
He doesn't want to leave immediately. He wants to leave in 30 days. He could pull a runner in 30 days of course, but that's the moral low ground. What can the school do if he gives notice? Can they fire him immediately? Or even if he gives notice do they have to give him equal notice to fire him? |
Good on him for keeping his word and his contract. People that break their word and contract based on the thought... "They might not keep their word so I'll break mine first" are joking with themselves and have little moral fiber. |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| romano812 wrote: |
I worked for a public school. When I quit and gave them my notice (my contract stated 60 days notice) they turned around and fired me. Apparently the labor law states they are required to give 30 days notice, but in the contract the school had written 15 days notice. I stayed the 15 days and the school didn't pay me anything for those days.
So basically being a nice guy and doing the right thing got me screwed. If I ever do it again I will definitely just pull the runner. At the end of the day we don't owe the schools anything, it's just too bad for the children. |
Everything is wrong here.
Even if your contract states 15 days notice for dismissal, the labor law is 30 days notice or 30 days pay in lieu of notice. Labor law nullifies any clause/s in a contact that do not comply with the laws.
You, as an employee are not required to give any notice. If it's written in you contract then it's honorable to comply and also to give as much notice as possible - but you're not a slave, they dont own you and you can quit any time.
Also, your school owes you for the 15 days you worked after they gave you notice, in addition to the 15 days of salary that is needed to comply with the labor laws. Please go to the labor board and file a complaint to get your money. |
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romano812
Joined: 09 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| I would love to file a complaint. Does anybody know the process involved, or who I would contact? |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Find a Korean who can translate for you and go to the local labor office and file a complaint. They may try to tell you they cant help, but its just to make you go away. Insist on filing. They may try to get you to accept less. Don't. Claim more than you are owed to make sure you get what you are owed. You can always lower your claim/settlement, but you can't increase it once it's filed.
http://wiki.galbijim.com/Labor_Board
http://wiki.galbijim.com/Korean_Labor_Offices |
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