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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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 Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: State to mom: Stop baby-sitting neighbors' kids |
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Another example of how socialist government institutions lack reason and competence by their very nature. Another reason that socialism always fails is that under socialism basic human intelligence degrades to the level of lower animals.
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State to mom: Stop baby-sitting neighbors' kids
By JAMES PRICHARD, Associated Press Writer James Prichard
� Tue Sep 29, 7:23 pm ET
IRVING TOWNSHIP, Mich. � Each day before the school bus comes to pick up the neighborhood's children, Lisa Snyder did a favor for three of her fellow moms, welcoming their children into her home for about an hour before they left for school.
Regulators who oversee child care, however, don't see it as charity. Days after the start of the new school year, Snyder received a letter from the Michigan Department of Human Services warning her that if she continued, she'd be violating a law aimed at the operators of unlicensed day care centers.
"I was freaked out. I was blown away," she said. "I got on the phone immediately, called my husband, then I called all the girls" � that is, the mothers whose kids she watches � "every one of them."
Snyder's predicament has led to a debate in Michigan about whether a law that says no one may care for unrelated children in their home for more than four weeks each calendar year unless they are licensed day-care providers needs to be changed. It also has irked parents who say they depend on such friendly offers to help them balance work and family.
On Tuesday, agency Director Ismael Ahmed said good neighbors should be allowed to help each other ensure their children are safe. Gov. Jennifer Granholm instructed Ahmed to work with the state Legislature to change the law, he said.
"Being a good neighbor means helping your neighbors who are in need," Ahmed said in a written statement. "This could be as simple as providing a cup of sugar, monitoring their house while they're on vacation or making sure their children are safe while they wait for the school bus." |
Left to their own devices, socialist bureaucrats could destroy the US, even the world, in a matter of months. In this case at least, the governor has stepped in. But, this one is a no-brainer. It should never have happened at all. The more power the socialists arrogate to themselves, the worse things get. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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I am glad at least they see the law to be nonsensical.
Imagine if they had said *sorry, the law is the law. We are just doing our job*!!!! |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| So then you agree with Hillary because 'it takes a village' and neighbors should be allowed to look after the safety of each others kids? Sounds right to me. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The saddest part is this is the rule and not the exception. Yet people still try to claim that govt isn't a failure in the sum total of its parts. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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the op's 'blame socialism' spin on this is nonsense
the longstanding law is patently protectionistic of the daycare industry, a typical CAPITALISTIC move to protect the profits of businesses, to reduce all social relations to an economic exchange of the almighty dollar
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| So then you agree with Hillary because 'it takes a village' and neighbors should be allowed to look after the safety of each others kids? Sounds right to me. |
exactly... but ontheway won't agree |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Why shouldn't neighbours or friends help each other out?
I am a single mother, I NEED my friends. |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
| So then you agree with Hillary because 'it takes a village' and neighbors should be allowed to look after the safety of each others kids? Sounds right to me. |
That wasnt Hilary's idea. And then she had a ghost writer write the book and refused to give credit to the woman who actually wrote it. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
the op's 'blame socialism' spin on this is nonsense
the longstanding law is patently protectionistic of the daycare industry, a typical CAPITALISTIC move to protect the profits of businesses |
Jumpin Jesus. No. Capitalism is not a system whereby the state uses her monopolistic power favor vested interests. |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a bad law, there are lots of 'em. The original drafts come from Dems and Republicans alike. They should have included a paragraph or exceptions for cases like this. Unless, of course, she is getting paid to care for those kids. Then she should have a license. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Illysook wrote: |
| It's a bad law, there are lots of 'em. The original drafts come from Dems and Republicans alike. They should have included a paragraph or exceptions for cases like this. Unless, of course, she is getting paid to care for those kids. Then she should have a license. |
Good grief. Why? When I was a kid, my neighbor gave me 5 bucks to mow his lawn. Should I have got a license for that? What about teenage baby sitters. Do they need a license?
What about if the very act of needing a license makes people stop from setting up child care services? Having to have permission from local govt to do the most mundane of tasks, tasks that have been going on since time began, is beyond absurd. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Illysook wrote: |
| It's a bad law, there are lots of 'em. The original drafts come from Dems and Republicans alike. They should have included a paragraph or exceptions for cases like this. Unless, of course, she is getting paid to care for those kids. Then she should have a license. |
Good grief. Why? When I was a kid, my neighbor gave me 5 bucks to mow his lawn. Should I have got a license for that? |
Well, yes. Of course. What if you hurt yourself. Anyways, if you're American or Canadian the state has imported an army of low wage workers that will cut grass for a tiny fraction of what you would have demanded. So, case closed. Until some community organizer organizes them. Then the grass will just grow while your taxes go up. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I think the word is 'statist', not 'socialist'.
As for the statement 'to reduce all social relations to an economic exchange', that's a very Marxist viewpoint.
But, then again, maybe I take things out of context. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think its stupid.
In High school, I used to spend 2 -3 hrs ever day at my friends house before heading home. He was half way to my house and he was my friend.
Man, that could have been seen as his moms choice when it was totally mine. The world is really getting stupid. I am glad they seem to be solving that problem.
One of my best memories is walking towards my parents house one time and seeing a 3 yr old wander up thier stairs and straight into thier house. 3 minutes later, he wandered straight out with a piece of toast in his hand, chomping strong.
I walked in and asked "what are you doing letting kids into your house?". They smiled and said, "well he's the neighbors kid and he likes to visit".
If we get too stupid about stuff, the question need to be asked. Why should we even live together as friends or neighbors.
Maybe we should just record every visit from others to the police and live in a communist style world.  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| If we trust totally random people to have children and raise them without demanding any sort of certification, I don't see why we can't trust people chosen by those random people to take care of them during the day without demanding any sort of certification. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
Why shouldn't neighbours or friends help each other out?
I am a single mother, I NEED my friends. |
I get my neighbor's kid off the bus all the time. Did it just today. |
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