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shamham
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Manuel_the_Bandito
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| They look like a couple of typical western pot-heads to me. I don't see what the big deal is. If it showed a westerner with a Korean, people would probably complain it was depicting how western teachers corrupt Koreans. |
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thurst
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| anybody that really got upset about this needs to re-evaluate their life. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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If I remember correctly, the story is about some kyopos that were busted for possession. The Charlie Brown cartoon hardly matches with the situation. Can western news papers get away with printing cartoons of asian stereotypes?
Having said that, I could care less. Let them print what they want. |
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Wishmaster
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that Thurst must be Jeff Fisher. |
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Smee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see what the big deal is with expressing dislike for the cartoon. If a paper chooses to run a cartoon like that, fine, but anybody else is also free to explain why they don't like it.
Is it a huge deal? No. Is it the biggest issue in our lives? No. Did I lose sleep thinking about some cartoon by a no-name cartoonist on a website I never read? No. But like I said, if somebody feels comfortable depicting one white guy and one guy who sort of looks like a white guy in a story about a group of people---predominantly ethnic Koreans---busted for drug use, then I think that merits comment.
Some people don't acknowledge that there's room between "indifference" and "outrage" on the scale. |
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Trevor
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| How much time will a gram of coke add to your contract? |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Smee wrote: |
I don't see what the big deal is with expressing dislike for the cartoon. If a paper chooses to run a cartoon like that, fine, but anybody else is also free to explain why they don't like it.
Is it a huge deal? No. Is it the biggest issue in our lives? No. Did I lose sleep thinking about some cartoon by a no-name cartoonist on a website I never read? No. But like I said, if somebody feels comfortable depicting one white guy and one guy who sort of looks like a white guy in a story about a group of people---predominantly ethnic Koreans---busted for drug use, then I think that merits comment.
Some people don't acknowledge that there's room between "indifference" and "outrage" on the scale. |
Well said. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| Manuel_the_Bandito wrote: |
| They look like a couple of typical western pot-heads to me. I don't see what the big deal is. If it showed a westerner with a Korean, people would probably complain it was depicting how western teachers corrupt Koreans. |
It does show a westerner with a Korean (the bald one) and people are complaining about how it is depicting how western teachers corrupt Koreans. |
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shamham
Joined: 29 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Smee wrote: |
I don't see what the big deal is with expressing dislike for the cartoon. If a paper chooses to run a cartoon like that, fine, but anybody else is also free to explain why they don't like it.
Is it a huge deal? No. Is it the biggest issue in our lives? No. Did I lose sleep thinking about some cartoon by a no-name cartoonist on a website I never read? No. But like I said, if somebody feels comfortable depicting one white guy and one guy who sort of looks like a white guy in a story about a group of people---predominantly ethnic Koreans---busted for drug use, then I think that merits comment.
Some people don't acknowledge that there's room between "indifference" and "outrage" on the scale. |
Agreed!
Personally, I would hope that such a cartoon would ALWAYS be able to be published in Korea, even if I don't like what it represents. It's called free speech.
But discussion is certainly appropo - even complaints. In my opinion, it's evidence of racial bias, and is probably the kind of thing that'll be held up thirty years from now as an example of a 'different time.' |
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Pojogae
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| shamham wrote: |
| In my opinion, it's evidence of racial bias, and is probably the kind of thing that'll be held up thirty years from now as an example of a 'different time.' |
Your optimism is admirable! |
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shamham
Joined: 29 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| shamham wrote: |
| In my opinion, it's evidence of racial bias, and is probably the kind of thing that'll be held up thirty years from now as an example of a 'different time.' |
Your optimism is admirable! |
Heh.  I understand your cynicism, sir.
I do base my optimism on history, though. Let's take the USA, Germany and Japan. In the US we were pretty darn entrenched when it came to racism. I have an African-American friend who collects these hideous postcards that people used to buy in US gift shops. Showing things like black children being chased by alligators with the caption 'gator bait'. You could buy them with impunity, and people did.
Germany: check out the 'Der Sturmer' cartoons of the 1930's. They'd depict that you could tell a Jew by 'smell', and other nefarious BS like that.
Japan: Well, come on. This is a country where the 'otherness' was so entrenched that things like Unit 731 were possible. Non-Japanese weren't 'people.'
None of the above would be countenanced by the majority population in those countries today. You're not going to see 'gator bait' postcards in the USA gift shops and Der Sturmer isn't putting up cartoons of cloven-hoofed Jews. Japan is friendlier to foreigners than, say, China (in my personal opinion and experience).
I'm of the belief that racism won't last against experience, that's all. 'Foreigners want to fornicate with our children!' (for example) conflicts with many Korean's observations and experience and interaction with kind, caring, competent non-Koreans. I have no doubt that there are plenty who simply reject the statement out of hand. I have personal experience with a few, and they do more than reject it - they think it's embarrassing because it's so patently ridiculous.
Give it time. History's not on the side of the Anti-English spectrum types. |
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