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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:23 am Post subject: Do Koreans treat you differently if you have a beard? |
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Usually when I have my beard and moustache, Korean men in particular are fairly polite and pleasant.
Without it, I get a lot of passive aggression of them. I think its because I look younger and they see me as some sort of lower ranking as a result.
The women tend to give me more attention though.
Anyone noticed anything like this? |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: |
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i dont think alot of koreans can actually grow beards from the looks of it. i have a goatee and the kids like to touch it then giggle hysterically. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: |
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I started growing a goatee recently and hot damn if it hasn't drawn the attention of the local lasses.
I remember years back when I hadn't shaved one day, I told the girl I was with "I didn't have a chance to shave this morning" and she said "It's good, like rough man"
So, I can answer you nautilus, with an "affirmative" |
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Agent 13
Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Location: Look Inside
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:32 am Post subject: |
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You've got to be able to carry it, man. Perception does not equal reality, and Koreans are keen to that. Enough said for now. |
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Cerberus
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:51 am Post subject: |
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last year when I was considering growing a goattee. my coteacher said if I did then most of our students would try to imitate me
maybe I should try it out  |
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Forward Observer

Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Location: FOB Gloria
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:27 am Post subject: |
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A lot of Kgals really like the "Dr. House" look. I've heard it from at least 5-6 different ones in the past three months. |
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kohmelo
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Do Koreans treat you differently if you have a beard? |
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nautilus wrote: |
Usually when I have my beard and moustache, Korean men in particular are fairly polite and pleasant.
Without it, I get a lot of passive aggression of them. I think its because I look younger and they see me as some sort of lower ranking as a result.
The women tend to give me more attention though.
Anyone noticed anything like this? |
I only thought of this the second time I went to korea, when I first went I had quite a big beard and I had locals just come up and talk to me asking if I needed help in their broken english(ee). I was asked to go for drinks/coffee on quite a few occasions by random men/women.
But when I went back 3 months later I shaved my beard and not one korean spoke to me unless I spoke to them first. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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I've had a beard for about half the time I've been in Korea. I have never noticed a difference in how I'm treated. |
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flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard it makes a difference if you're male or female. |
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DorkothyParker

Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Location: Jeju
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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My husband has gotten some attention for his beard. I mean, drunk college kids just shouting "beard" outside of Family Mart and the like. And drunk business men sharing tequila in bars.
It probably depends on the type of beard. They may treat someone with a pansy little goatee differently than a real man with a full and glorious beard. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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DorkothyParker wrote: |
It probably depends on the type of beard. They may treat someone with a pansy little goatee differently than a real man with a full and glorious beard. |
To hell with that! I'm not trying to look like Jesus or Santa at least until I'm 40 |
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DorkothyParker

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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Nice illustration. I'm 2nd from the top on the right. Cant say if it makes a difference because I've always kept that look. Principals have remarked but not criticized.
Middle school camp a couple weeks ago the kids had to write evaluations of the teachers. One comment I got: "Impressive mustache." |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Do Koreans treat you differently if you have a beard? |
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kohmelo wrote: |
I only thought of this the second time I went to korea, when I first went I had quite a big beard and I had locals just come up and talk to me asking if I needed help in their broken english(ee). I was asked to go for drinks/coffee on quite a few occasions by random men/women.
But when I went back 3 months later I shaved my beard and not one korean spoke to me unless I spoke to them first. |
I think theres something in this.
To Koreans a foreigner with a beard is something of a curiosity. It not only marks you out as probably a clueless foreign tourist but likely someone who hasn't been here long enough to know they don't approve of beards here. At very least you look a touch older and thus must be more respectable and congenial. |
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Mr. BlackCat

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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I grew a full, yet well maintained, beard last winter and had the exact opposite reaction from the locals than what is being said here. I work in an elementary school and the students usually come up and talk to me, give me small gifts and whatnot. Not with the beard. They refused to speak to me even when I just said hello. Many of them seemed downright scared of me. My co-teachers told me daily that having a beard = criminal or something to hide. My principal and VP outright told me that I should shave it and it was not appropriate for a teacher. I just grew it during winter break before I went on vacation and shaved upon my return.
I work in a lower income area of Seoul so there's lots of surly drunk adjoshis roaming around even at noon, but I've never had many problems besides the glares and swearing at me under their breaths. But with the beard on two seperate occassions a man came up to me and started yelling at me and pushing me while I was walking home from work. I had a group of young adults pointing at me and shouting racial slurs, which I've also never experienced (during the day at least). I taught an adult class for a while and everyday they told me to shave because "Koreans are more advanced because we don't have so much hair. You are monkey." Korean women, for the most part, just laughed. Of course if I cared what Korean women found attractive I'd go anorexic, wear make-up, wax my entire body and spend more time primping my hair than sleeping.
Then I went to South East Asia and was treating like a king. But in Korea it was a horrible experience (though after a couple of weeks I just started laughing at the extreme reactions). I wouldn't do it again, I had to re-build bridges at work and convince the kids that taking candy from me wouldn't result in abduction and murder. Usually. |
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