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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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 Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: ZERO foreigers caught for illegal tutoring |
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Wow, and I thought everyone was saying that we're the problem??
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/02/117_60240.html
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...About 1,720 suspected illegal tutoring cases have been reported to the authorities. Only 368 cases were subject to punishment, all of which involved Korean tutors.
No foreign tutors have been caught by the authorities for violation of the Private Education Law, the ministry said.
More than 15,000 tutors have registered their activities to the appropriate education office since the government introduced programs to reward informants on illegal tutoring last July.
In Seoul alone, 11,967 cases of private tutoring have been registered with education offices in the city. Among them, 76 have been made by foreigners holding F-series visas such as the F-2 (spouses of Koreans), F-4 (ethnic Koreans) and F-5 (permanent residence). Most of them are teaching English.
Under the Immigration Law, foreigners with other visa types are not allowed to offer private tutoring to make money, except for those with student status, who can do so with restricted hours upon approval from their professors. Otherwise, foreign nationals are subject to fines and deportation.
In the meantime, the ministry has delivered official documents to public and private universities as well as elementary and secondary schools, requesting them to ensure their native English-speaking teachers are not involved in illegal tutoring. |
Gotta love that last line. Looks like WE are not the ones they need to be worried about! |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: Re: ZERO foreigers caught for illegal tutoring |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Wow, and I thought everyone was saying that we're the problem??
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/02/117_60240.html
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...About 1,720 suspected illegal tutoring cases have been reported to the authorities. Only 368 cases were subject to punishment, all of which involved Korean tutors.
No foreign tutors have been caught by the authorities for violation of the Private Education Law, the ministry said.
More than 15,000 tutors have registered their activities to the appropriate education office since the government introduced programs to reward informants on illegal tutoring last July.
In Seoul alone, 11,967 cases of private tutoring have been registered with education offices in the city. Among them, 76 have been made by foreigners holding F-series visas such as the F-2 (spouses of Koreans), F-4 (ethnic Koreans) and F-5 (permanent residence). Most of them are teaching English.
Under the Immigration Law, foreigners with other visa types are not allowed to offer private tutoring to make money, except for those with student status, who can do so with restricted hours upon approval from their professors. Otherwise, foreign nationals are subject to fines and deportation.
In the meantime, the ministry has delivered official documents to public and private universities as well as elementary and secondary schools, requesting them to ensure their native English-speaking teachers are not involved in illegal tutoring. |
Gotta love that last line. Looks like WE are not the ones they need to be worried about! |
Not sure if it was your intention to misrepresent that article bass.
You really have to read that article to understand the perspective.
Kang Shin Who is lamenting the fact that foreigners are not being wrung out for crimes which Korean nationals are.
It's a fair complaint, but given the slant KSW usually puts in his articles, one must always be ready to dismiss most everything he writes as fantasy.
This article is another attempt at making foreigners out to be doing something wrong...even when they aren't. |
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David Lee Roth
Joined: 24 Dec 2009
Location: Towering, waiting to pounce!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Students are allowed to teach privately? Anybody know the exact details of that law? |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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In the meantime, the ministry has delivered official documents to public and private universities as well as elementary and secondary schools, requesting them to ensure their native English-speaking teachers are not involved in illegal tutoring.
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Way to create even more ill will for foreign teachers.They've already ASSUMED that all of our diplomas are fakes and that all of us have HIV and swine flu. 
Yet another round of memos to public schools that can only cause trouble for many innocent teachers. Many Principals and co-teachers don't understand the BS political motivation behind these kinds of memos and assume the worst about the foreign teacher at their school. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| David Lee Roth wrote: |
| Students are allowed to teach privately? Anybody know the exact details of that law? |
Yes, your professor lords over your D series Student visa. Intern-ships are part of the curriculum. Also tutoring fellow students is allowed with the professors permission.
It ain't rocket science. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Gotta love that last line. Looks like WE are not the ones they need to be worried about! |
A- By doing this he points to foreigners....
B- By sheer numbers its logical the larger problem of illegal tutors would involve Koreans.
Whats your point? |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: ZERO foreigers caught for illegal tutoring |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Wow, and I thought everyone was saying that we're the problem??
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/02/117_60240.html
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...About 1,720 suspected illegal tutoring cases have been reported to the authorities. Only 368 cases were subject to punishment, all of which involved Korean tutors.
No foreign tutors have been caught by the authorities for violation of the Private Education Law, the ministry said.
More than 15,000 tutors have registered their activities to the appropriate education office since the government introduced programs to reward informants on illegal tutoring last July.
In Seoul alone, 11,967 cases of private tutoring have been registered with education offices in the city. Among them, 76 have been made by foreigners holding F-series visas such as the F-2 (spouses of Koreans), F-4 (ethnic Koreans) and F-5 (permanent residence). Most of them are teaching English.
Under the Immigration Law, foreigners with other visa types are not allowed to offer private tutoring to make money, except for those with student status, who can do so with restricted hours upon approval from their professors. Otherwise, foreign nationals are subject to fines and deportation.
In the meantime, the ministry has delivered official documents to public and private universities as well as elementary and secondary schools, requesting them to ensure their native English-speaking teachers are not involved in illegal tutoring. |
Gotta love that last line. Looks like WE are not the ones they need to be worried about! |
Yes because clearly there are ZERO cases where a foreigner is teaching illegal privates.
This never happens. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: ZERO foreigers caught for illegal tutoring |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
This article is another attempt at making foreigners out to be doing something wrong...even when they aren't. |
That was my point. |
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Agent 13
Joined: 28 Nov 2009
Location: Look Inside
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It's just another pathetically amateurish effort from this lazy wage-slave who quite obviously resents his miserable life because he is stuck in a dead-end job working for this Mickey-Mouse outfit masquerading as an "English newspaper." The guy can barely write a coherent clause in English, and even when he learns a new vocabulary word like lamented, he can't apply it in the correct context. He's just a sad individual who's well aware that he's already lost big-time in the game of life, and so he's got an ax to grind. But he still can't win, ever. And you just know he thinks about his whole sorry situation every time he lights up one of his thin cigs or takes a swig of soju after he finally gets off work late at night, right before heading home once again to a wife who keeps nagging him because they're behind on the mortgage payment and he can't ever seem to make enough money for them to live a decent life.
Anyway, all this joke of a "reporter" did for this article, once again, was to slap together some statistics that he pulled off a website and then make one phone call, during which he interviewed some official who basically told him, "What the hell do you think we're supposed to do, dumbass - barge into someone's home and start ransacking the place because some loser like you has reported that there might be a 'foreigner' hiding under the bed?" And by the way, have you ever noticed, too, that he never seems to interview any of these "foreigners" he keeps going on about? Could that be because he's incapable of speaking English? And could that be yet another reason why he desperately keeps trying (and failing) to get "the foreigner"?
It's not too hard to figure out what this guy is all about. And perhaps the best part of the whole story is that even he had to acknowledge in his own "article" that the number of "foreigners" who have been nailed for "illegal tutoring" (presumably he means this year) currently stands at zero |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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He's come a long way! |
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jiberish
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: The Carribean Bay Wrestler
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Way to create even more ill will for foreign teachers.They've already ASSUMED that all of our diplomas are fakes and that all of us have HIV and swine flu.
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Funny because it's true |
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lukas
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Bucheon
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Illegal tutoring, or in other words illegal learning? What a load of crap. I can't think of any reason why they would prohibit this given South Korea's obsession with education.
Besides maybe that by teaching on the side we are taking attention away from our primary jobs... as for me however, if I have free time I'm not going to keep pumping more and more effort into my lesson plans that are already finished. Naturally, I'm going to surf the internet like I do everyday while they make me desk warm with nothing to do for 4 hours. |
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toonchoon
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: ZERO foreigers caught for illegal tutoring |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Wow, and I thought everyone was saying that we're the problem??
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/02/117_60240.html
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...About 1,720 suspected illegal tutoring cases have been reported to the authorities. Only 368 cases were subject to punishment, all of which involved Korean tutors.
No foreign tutors have been caught by the authorities for violation of the Private Education Law, the ministry said.
More than 15,000 tutors have registered their activities to the appropriate education office since the government introduced programs to reward informants on illegal tutoring last July.
In Seoul alone, 11,967 cases of private tutoring have been registered with education offices in the city. Among them, 76 have been made by foreigners holding F-series visas such as the F-2 (spouses of Koreans), F-4 (ethnic Koreans) and F-5 (permanent residence). Most of them are teaching English.
Under the Immigration Law, foreigners with other visa types are not allowed to offer private tutoring to make money, except for those with student status, who can do so with restricted hours upon approval from their professors. Otherwise, foreign nationals are subject to fines and deportation.
In the meantime, the ministry has delivered official documents to public and private universities as well as elementary and secondary schools, requesting them to ensure their native English-speaking teachers are not involved in illegal tutoring. |
Gotta love that last line. Looks like WE are not the ones they need to be worried about! |
during my interview with my uni, the professor specifically talked about illegal tutoring for 2 minutes with me. interesting. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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Am I reading these ( ignorant) responses correctly?
Are people trying to suggest that there ere NO teachers doing privates. I am sure no one could be this ignorant, So the point of some of your posts is escaping me. Yes of course there are just as many Koreans breaking many of these rules as there are foreigners, but just because they have not caught any foreigners ( which I can't beleive anyway) for teaching privates, doesn't mean that there are not a lot of them out there. Nor does it mean that the government should not be trying to find them.
Yes we are generalised, just as there are you guys who will generalise them, chicken and the egg here people. I'd fall over backwards if maturity started being the norm here and people caught that this is the case.
Most of the time when there is violence back home ( espeically gang viloence) it is attributed to a minority group ( asian gang, black assailant) and yes people we generalise.
There are many teachers who buy these fake degrees and come and teach here illegally, and there are mant foreigners that come here riddled with STD's to bang Korean girls. It is ( commonly) human nature to be upset with this hapenning with people from another country and not of your culture, and it is also the case to be weary of these people in general. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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No one was caught, but we're still attacked in the media for it.
It's akin to a racist remark like, "Black people steal -- we didn't catch any black people stealing, but we know those nasty black people do!"
And then sending a warning to schools that have hired black people warning them to make sure their black employees arent' stealing. |
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