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shawner88
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| I've been waiting for the reaction too, but it's not happening. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:18 am Post subject: |
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This might be one reason for the relative lack of an uproar:
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Under the Status of Forces Agreement, the legal framework governing the U.S. military in South Korea, the primary jurisdiction in a fatal hit-and-run accident involving U.S. military personnel is in South Korea, according to police and the Foreign Ministry.
"We will hand over Sergeant Olken to U.S. custody after an investigation," a police official said yesterday. "We will summon him again if we believe he has to be held in our custody." |
Am I correct in understanding that that this means he'll be tried in a Korean court? |
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shawner88
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| The guy must have been drunk, why else would he run away? And the fact that he was asleep when the cops came, what a moron. If he wasn't drunk, he should have made up something like he was afrain he was going to get linched if anyone found out nearby. |
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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| shawner88 wrote: |
| The guy must have been drunk, why else would he run away? And the fact that he was asleep when the cops came, what a moron. If he wasn't drunk, he should have made up something like he was afrain he was going to get linched if anyone found out nearby. |
he was drunk:
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U.S. sergeant to face hit-run indictment
The Suwon District Public Prosecutors Office said yesterday that it would indict a U.S. Army sergeant involved in a hit-and-run accident that left a South Korean woman dead and four others injured on Nov. 28.
According to the U.S. 8th Army, the suspect, Sergeant Jerry Onken, has been handed over to Korean authorities. He will also be charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, the military said. U.S. and Korean authorities conducted a blood alcohol test after the incident.
Assigned to 1-43 Air Defense Artillery Battalion in Suwon, Gyeonggi province, Sergeant Onken has been investigated by South Korean police on charges of leaving an accident scene.
Korea has jurisdiction in the case because Sergeant Onken was not on official business when the accident occurred. |
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200312/06/200312060222089709900090309031.html
This guy actually left his kevlar and Military ID in the car when he ran. Real smart retard. I hope they fry him.
Before anyone decides to flame me- I am a gulf war vet and have served in the 2ID here in Korea. My little sister is in Iraq right now. I am NOT anti-militay. My closest in age sister was killed by a drunk driver when she was 18. |
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shawner88
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I didn't see that more recent story...thanks.
DWI in Korea is .51 I wonder wht this guy blew. Whatever it was, they would have to take the 5 hours into account that he was asleep.
How stupid can you get. If he was going to run away, he should have gotten a yeogwan and turned himself in a few days later and sticking to the story he was afraid Koreans would lynch him. Then again, probably the others involved told everything that happened anyway. |
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J.B. Clamence
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| shawner88 wrote: |
| DWI in Korea is .51 |
Is that a typo? A 140-pound male would need more than 15 drinks to get to that level.
http://beerboozebooks.com/bal.htm
Is it really that high? |
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shawner88
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
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| DWI in Korea is .51 |
Is that a typo? A 140-pound male would need more than 15 drinks to get to that level.
http://beerboozebooks.com/bal.htm
Is it really that high? |
Yeah right, oops. .051 sorry |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Am I correct in understanding that that this means he'll be tried in a Korean court? |
This is true. He is in big trouble!!!! He deserves it to after killing a person while drunk driving. |
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HardyandTiny
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| just because wrote: |
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| Am I correct in understanding that that this means he'll be tried in a Korean court? |
This is true. He is in big trouble!!!! He deserves it to after killing a person while drunk driving. |
He will most likely be tried in a Korean court. The Koreans have the right to prosecute him in a Korean court, which is not unusual, hundreds of soldiers have been prosecuted in Korean courts over the years.
The Koreans have about 6 weeks to decide whether they will take jurisdiction in the case.
The Koreans also have the right to hold him in custody before and during his Korean trial. This right written into the revised SOFA in ~2001 has never been exercised by the Korean courts.
The families of the victims, especially the woman who died, would be wise to ask the Korea authorities to give full jurisdiction to the US military so that the drunken driver receives proper punishment.
I doubt that he would get more than three years in a Korean court and I'm certain he would get more than twenty years in a US court.
The Thai-Americn male soldier who was found guilty of raping a Korean male soldier this year was sentenced to thirty years in a US military court!
That type of punishment would be unthinkable in a Korean court.
When the US soldier, Specialist Christopher McCarthy, was found guilty of murdering a Korean prostitute back in 2000. He was tried in a Korean court and the Korean judge only sentenced him to 8 years!
What can we expect in a vehicular manslaughter case?
The Japanese are keen to this trick. They always ask for the US military members to be turned over to the US military court when they have the bastard dead to rights. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:56 am Post subject: |
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The families of the victims, especially the woman who died, would be wise to ask the Korea authorities to give full jurisdiction to the US military so that the drunken driver receives proper punishment.
I doubt that he would get more than three years in a Korean court and I'm certain he would get more than twenty years in a US court.
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True, but following the schoolgirl debacle, wouldn't it be a bit of a PR bonanza for the US army and the Korean government to have this tried in the Korean courts? Suppose the guy is acquitted by a US court-martial. You'll have the candlelight vigils, flag burnings, etc all over again. But, if he's acquitted by a Korean court, or convicted with a light sentence, the US can turn around and say to the nationalists "What are you guys complaining about? It's YOUR justice system". |
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HardyandTiny
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The families of the victims, especially the woman who died, would be wise to ask the Korea authorities to give full jurisdiction to the US military so that the drunken driver receives proper punishment.
I doubt that he would get more than three years in a Korean court and I'm certain he would get more than twenty years in a US court.
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True, but following the schoolgirl debacle, wouldn't it be a bit of a PR bonanza for the US army and the Korean government to have this tried in the Korean courts? Suppose the guy is acquitted by a US court-martial. You'll have the candlelight vigils, flag burnings, etc all over again. But, if he's acquitted by a Korean court, or convicted with a light sentence, the US can turn around and say to the nationalists "What are you guys complaining about? It's YOUR justice system". |
If the family of the woman who died in the accident makes the request for US jurisdiction then the Korean government just stresses that it's the family's decision and no one will complain.
The Koreans can't make a complaint about where he is tried or the outcome of any trial. They NOW have the option to try him.
I don't think the US will, or should, make any comments regarding the sentencing in a Korean court. That would begin to make a problem that you want to avoid. The point is that it IS THEIR system.
The more I think about this the more I see the Koreans finding a way to explain to the Korean public why they are giving jurisdiction to the Americans.
Something like "The Americans will punish him more severly because they want to show us that they are guilty............" |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the key point in this particular case is that no Korean group has found a way to politicize it. In addition, the scale and intensity of last year's anti-Americanism shocked many Koreans. When Rummie et al decided to move the troops south of the river, a lot of Koreans had to stop and 'take a think' about what they really wanted. And what they really wanted is for someone else to protect them. Like what Roh said: We want to be treated as equals, but not quite THAT equal if it's going to cost us money. |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| I think the key point in this particular case is that no Korean group has found a way to politicize it. In addition, the scale and intensity of last year's anti-Americanism shocked many Koreans. When Rummie et al decided to move the troops south of the river, a lot of Koreans had to stop and 'take a think' about what they really wanted. And what they really wanted is for someone else to protect them. Like what Roh said: We want to be treated as equals, but not quite THAT equal if it's going to cost us money. |
link please? Roh said THAT crap? |
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Joe Thanks
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Dudleyville
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: That hit and run accident with the army guy |
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| I thought when I first read it, a rage would sweep across the country but it seems to have gone barely noticed. |
I'm glad rage hasn't. Sometimes the wheels of justice can prevail and people can calm down.
Mind you, there are no elections coming up and as such, money isn't being doled out to the sh@tdisturbers who will hit the streets.
I'm still wondering where the rage towards the horrible safety standards and corruption of the Daegu subway system - and towards Kim Dae-han disappeared. It was a virtual holocaust with hundreds of Koreans dead.
Koreans slaughtering Koreans seems to get a blind eye.
Must be that 'pure blood.' Pure blood is forgivable.
Sick and sad.
I digress.
Joe |
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