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bcjinseoul
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: Seoul, Korea
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 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: Getting off the hogwon blacklist |
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| Can it be done? If so, how? I only worked at one hogwon back in 2006, finished my contract, and a few months ago found out I was on the list. The reason I say so is because my next job will be a uni or a hogwon...NOT a public school. (Actually GEPIK or a rural public school would be my last resort back up plan) |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| What list are you on? Is it with Immigration? Please be more specific. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Getting off the hogwon blacklist |
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| bcjinseoul wrote: |
| I only worked at one hogwon back in 2006, finished my contract, and a few months ago found out I was on the list. |
Any ideas on why they blacklisted you? |
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bcjinseoul
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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I actually don't know what list it is. I guess it's the "main" one; the one most of the big name recruiters use for hiring those applying to hogwons. Thing is, I know someone who is married to a Korean recruiter...after they looked at my scanned and emailed picture of the first page of my passport, and typed in some info somewhere on the internet, they got back to me and told me I was on the blacklist.
I didn't do anything wrong.
I had trouble getting along with a head teacher at the beginning, as well as with class control in the beginning. Then I was too strict and some parents complained, and I guess a lot of the parents threatened to pull there kids out. It was a bad hogwon, too...no insurance, no pension, 1.5 hr classes, kindies in the morning, 10 hour shifts, no sick days, 130 hrs a month...if every job in Korea was like that, no one would stay. |
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Steve_Rogers2008
Joined: 22 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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How does one even see the vaunted blacklist? and why is it only for hagwons? 
on an unrelated note, why did this movie come to mind now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS_d0Ayjw4o |
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caribmon
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, you can apply directly to hagwons or use a different recruiter who is not as diligent about checking. Maybe. I want to see where this thread goes anyway. |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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If it's the "main" one, they have to have proof of why they are blackmailing you.
This includes documentation of incidents and a history of problems.
Either you are not on a list that matters if you really did nothing, or you really did some bad stuff and don't want to admit it to us here. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Can you ask where this blacklist is? If they found it on the internet, could you give us the link? |
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bcjinseoul
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Look guys, I'm as clueless as you all are about which one it is, how well used it is, what it means, etc.
I can tell you I'm definitely not hiding anything, and never did anything "serious." There were some problems with my teaching years ago when I was a noob, and troubles with kids, parents, the head teacher, etc. I never hit anyone, broke any laws, yelled at the boss, and all that stuff. I just showed up every day and did my job the best I could. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| bcjinseoul wrote: |
| It was a bad hogwon, too...no insurance, no pension, 1.5 hr classes, kindies in the morning, 10 hour shifts, no sick days, 130 hrs a month...if every job in Korea was like that, no one would stay. |
You should be the one blacklisting them, then. Write a review about your experience at the school and call them out by name. This will make it much harder for them to get a foreigner teacher, thereby increasing the odds of them going out of business, meaning they will no longer be around to give you a bad reference. About the blacklist, not every recruiting agency and hagwon checks it out, though a very large number do. Be concerned about the bad reference they will give you when another school calls them. Driving them out of business is the best way to fight back against this. And it is fair to warn others about their illegal activities. Do it. It is the ethical and honorable thing to do. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:05 am Post subject: |
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I imagine the blacklist in question is the one found over at the Korean Foreign Teacher Recruiting Association's website.
They've had the blacklist for several years now. In the beginning, it was viewable by everyone, and included stupid reasons for teachers being placed on it ("teacher doesn't smile", "teacher wouldn't volunteer to work on Saturdays", etc). Names, nationalities, Passport numbers, everything was open to the public.
Someone complained and went as far as getting the Seoul Bar Association to complain that the blacklist was defamatory and contravened the clause in the Labor Standards Act that prohibited employers from interfering with a worker's future employment.
So they made the list private. You have to be a member of the site to see it.
http://www.kftra.co.kr/englishgreeting.asp?CategoryID=102 |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
Someone complained and went as far as getting the Seoul Bar Association to complain that the blacklist was defamatory and contravened the clause in the Labor Standards Act that prohibited employers from interfering with a worker's future employment.
So they made the list private. You have to be a member of the site to see it.
http://www.kftra.co.kr/englishgreeting.asp?CategoryID=102 |
Wait, so still illegal, only less out in the open? Someone should shut this down!
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Article 39 (Prohibition of Interference with Employment)
Anyone shall not prepare and use secret signs or lists, or have communication for the purpose of interfering with employment of a worker. |
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WTP Trust
Joined: 13 May 2010
Location: Hittin' the books at Yonsei
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
Someone complained and went as far as getting the Seoul Bar Association to complain that the blacklist was defamatory and contravened the clause in the Labor Standards Act that prohibited employers from interfering with a worker's future employment.
So they made the list private. You have to be a member of the site to see it.
http://www.kftra.co.kr/englishgreeting.asp?CategoryID=102 |
Wait, so still illegal, only less out in the open? Someone should shut this down!
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Article 39 (Prohibition of Interference with Employment)
Anyone shall not prepare and use secret signs or lists, or have communication for the purpose of interfering with employment of a worker. |
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You know, someone occasionally comes on here with "My friend's wife is a recruiter and she saw the list...", blah,blah,blah. Which, when questioned, is usually followed with "Oh I don't know where they went or what website they looked on..." excuse, excuse, excuse
Well if they can access the list, how about getting copies of everyone's info that is on there and letting those people know that they are on there. Or better yet, make a list of the people's names and then what school blacklisted them.
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WTP Trust
Joined: 13 May 2010
Location: Hittin' the books at Yonsei
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| bcjinseoul wrote: |
I actually don't know what list it is. I guess it's the "main" one; the one most of the big name recruiters use for hiring those applying to hogwons. Thing is, I know someone who is married to a Korean recruiter...after they looked at my scanned and emailed picture of the first page of my passport, and typed in some info somewhere on the internet, they got back to me and told me I was on the blacklist.
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Look guys, I'm as clueless as you all are about which one it is, how well used it is, what it means, etc.
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Just like this. This is what I'm talking about.
bcjinseoul got the information from someone who is married to a Korean recruiter, but couldn't get the information about where the website is or how the Korean recruiter accessed it? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| WTP Trust wrote: |
Just like this. This is what I'm talking about.
bcjinseoul got the information from someone who is married to a Korean recruiter, but couldn't get the information about where the website is or how the Korean recruiter accessed it? |
It's not that they CAN'T give the info. It's that they WON'T give it him. The list is intended for recruiters and schools, not the waegs likely to be on the list. Of course they won't tell him where the info is.
Furthermore, it's illegal, so bringing attention to it by telling the waeg where it is will never happen. |
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