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Do unis favour white teachers?
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:35 pm    Post subject: Do unis favour white teachers? Reply with quote

I've met quite a few uni teachers here and they've all been white. A lot of the uni teachers I've encountered have no masters degree, CELTA or formal training, but they have been young and white.
This might sound paranoid, but it's no secret that many Korean employers think 'white is right' when it comes to EFL.
Do you think that this prejudice extends to the university arena?
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The_slap_chop



Joined: 22 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_slap_chop wrote:
Yes.


Nothing more to add? Anecdotes, opinions etc?
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no need for anecdotes on that one. The answer is a simple "yes", with everything that means included.
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The_slap_chop



Joined: 22 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
The_slap_chop wrote:
Yes.


Nothing more to add? Anecdotes, opinions etc?


No.
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shostahoosier



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see this thread going anywhere positive... Rolling Eyes
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SinclairLondon



Joined: 17 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Preferably, white, attractive, female and educated, in that order.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question by the OP hints at age and racial discrimination being a deciding factor. I can't speak for the Koreans, but I have been on selection committees and I can say that qualified and experienced are their first choices.
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machoman



Joined: 11 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my gf's friend is a black dude who taught at a uni in daejeon, and now he teaches at a uni in busan. i know a half korean/half white guy teaching at a u ni as well.
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Poker



Joined: 16 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if a uni is faced with choosing between a white face and a non-white face, with the same qualifications and both are "likable", they would choose the white face. But that doesn't mean unis won't hire non-white faces.
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you look at the numbers? In the US, blacks make up approximately 10% of the population. In the US, they are also, generally speaking, a lot less likely to attend college. So, if you look at the demographics of all the ESL teachers in Korea, I'd say black ESL teachers are a very small group, and as such, you're not going to find a lot of them at universities.

I happen to know one that works at a University, and he's more than qualified. When it comes to a Uni, they are a bit more neutral in their hiring practices, i.e. a selection committee, standards that they follow, etc. So I'd have to say no, it's just that there are not a lot of black ESL teachers in the first place.
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brickabrack



Joined: 17 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. That's just the way it is. Individuals usually change perceptions...not groups. Be an exception in this land of harmony.
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess another good question to ask while we're on this topic:
Do universities favor females the same way hagwons/kindergartens do?
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it really depends on the university and who's doing the hiring. I have worked at a few universities where they have had non-white teachers who worked out well. To some degree, employers in Korea still favor the white female face, but qualifications are becoming more and more important. University jobs are getting ultra competitive, so don't take it personally.
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
To some degree, employers in Korea still favor the white female face, but qualifications are becoming more and more important.
Yeah, but are UNIVERSITIES favoring females?

It's no secret that hagwons and kindergartens favor females. They often don't even try to hide it -- they say so right in their ads.

But by university, this "I'm a shy, plaid skirt-wearing, only-able-to-speak-at-0.1-decibels girl, no male teacher will do" mentality has hopefully evaporated...

Is there still significant discrimination against male instructors at the university level? And if so, why? The hagwon/kindy argument of "well, women are just better with children" no longer has any relevance in university, right?
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