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recessiontime
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| It's going to require immense political will to wean Europeans off the wealth that state arrogation provides for them. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Not much future there. They had the immigrant labor and they did not know what to do with it. hard working folks looking for a better life and they really did not know how to integrate them into the society.
The E.U. was an interesting idea , economic central planning mixed with the free market, but in the end they chose central planning and the result; CRASH |
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UknowsI
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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The EU was a good idea, but got crushed by bureaucracy and nations too eager to protect their own interests instead of actually making the EU a single free market. Can someone please tell me the necessity of spending 31% of the EU's budget on agriculture? Those subsidies are the opposite of the intention of the EU. The EU should never have tried to play the role of collecting and distributing money.
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chellovek
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Not much future there. They had the immigrant labor and they did not know what to do with it. hard working folks looking for a better life and they really did not know how to integrate them into the society.
The E.U. was an interesting idea , economic central planning mixed with the free market, but in the end they chose central planning and the result; CRASH |
"Central Planning"? You mean there is some EU version of Gosplan setting production quotas for bolts, potatoes, tonnes of coal and what have you? Or are you referring to a harmonisation of product standards and other things pertaining to harmonisation amongst member-states? The latter is not central planning.
Also, "they" in regards to the EU leads me to believe you aren't from Europe, or at least not deeply acquainted with the crazy notion, which I have had to make before that Europe, Europeans, and the European Union or not a monolithic entity or people
Italy's problem with migration is very specific to the geographical location it holds as being a destination for African boat people who come accross and then try to vanish into society. I've lived in southern Spain and noticed a similar thing there, in addition to some rather unsavoury atittudes on part of locals towards Africans. Just on the BBC news website today I see Greece is building a fence on the Turkish border to keep out illegals. Problems in other countries are also rooted in their specific contexts- France and it's tradition of secularism particularly in the public sphere, Netherlands and bringing in illiberal Mussulmen into a liberal society, Britain's problems are rooted in the history of Empire and the Nationalities Act of the 1950s in addition to more racy contemporary foreign policy desicions. *takes breath*  
Also, Dear Old Serge, I gather you're British and getting on for middle age? So I guess as a youngster being raised before rampant right-wingery really got underway, the welfare state did nothing to help you out? Or if it did, I trust you'll be sending the Chancellor of Exchequer a cheque from Saudi Arabia to pay for services the state rendered to you in the past? Or was your suck at the teat as a child different than that of people now? [/i] |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, Dear Old Serge, I gather you're British and getting on for middle age? |
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| So I guess as a youngster being raised before rampant right-wingery really got underway, the welfare state did nothing to help you out? |
We must strive, with every fiber of our being, towards self-efficacy |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Those subsidies are the opposite of the intention of the EU. |
The EU was in large part designed by the French to ensure their inefficient agricultural sector was subsidized with mostly German money. Thus, they are very much the intention of the EU. |
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UknowsI
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If you mean French intentions, you're right. But I don't think that's what the rest of Europe hoped to get out of it, and as we can see now, that was not a very sustainable goal. I was once charmed by what the EU could have been, but my feelings soon went sour when I found out what the spending actually were used on.
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chellovek
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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| Also, Dear Old Serge, I gather you're British and getting on for middle age? |
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Then my apologies |
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caniff
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| We must strive, with every fiber of our being, towards maximizing corporate profits. |
In other words?
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mises
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Unemployment in Europe (especially the Med states) is serious problem. Many factors at work. One factor is that many people have earned qualifications that qualify them to do nothing much at all outside of teach other people earning the qualification:
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| Ms. Esposito was the first in her family to graduate from college and the first to study foreign languages. She has an Italian law degree and a master�s from Germany and was an intern at the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. |
I don't know anything about the Italian legal market but I assume it is in the crapper, much like the American one.
I would like to know what her masters from Germany was in. Human rights I assume? Certainly not accounting or anything useful or she'd be employed. Another un/underemployed dreamer. Did society fail her or did she just make a series of bad decisions?
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| Coral Herrera G�mez, 33, who has a Ph.D. in humanities but still lives with her parents |
A Ph.D. in humanities.
Maybe Gomez and Esposito should cut their losses, find husbands and make some babies. Italy needs (Italian) babies and not lawyers and humanities professors. A society can get along just fine without an army of human rights lawyers and humanities professors. It disappears when the women don't have babies.
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This reminds me of a great quote from Fight Club:
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| We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off |
For the women in the NYT piece the quote will be:
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| We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be human rights lawyers, and tenured professors, and activists. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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Basically the "advanced nations" are screwed bcause we are complacent and have crooks running the show who are ecstatic that we are such easy marks.
Then we have everybody else scrambling to get some (or hasten the arrival of whichever messiah) before the wheels come off.
Am I missing something? |
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mises
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| We're governed by a corrupt elite. We have a decadent, juvenile population of permanent children. I think we're completely lost. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| We have a decadent, juvenile population of permanent children. |
Reminds me of an original Star Trek episode where they went to a planet populated only by cranky ill-mannered homicidal brats. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Did society fail her or did she just make a series of bad decisions? |
Her quote at the very end of the article makes me think she agrees with you, at least to some extent:
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| �I�m a repentant college graduate,� she said. �If I had it to do over again, I wouldn�t go to college and would just start working.� |
| mises wrote: |
| Maybe Gomez and Esposito should cut their losses, find husbands and make some babies. Italy needs (Italian) babies and not lawyers and humanities professors. A society can get along just fine without an army of human rights lawyers and humanities professors. It disappears when the women don't have babies. |
Unfortunately, they've very likely bought into the false idea that such a life is demeaning, and moreover, very likely have such unrealistic expectations with regards to the lifestyle they're entitled to that it would be difficult to find a man both willing and able to provide it to them. |
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