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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:57 pm Post subject: A funny thing happened on the way to leaving a tip |
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Tipping, as wel all know, is not a custom in Korea. However, there are instances when I still do leave (or try to leave) a tip. I don't take many cab rides and the few that I do are usually under 2,000 won. Most are the default 1,600 fare. If I have two 1,000 won notes I give it to the cabbie and bid him a good day.
My Korean friends think I'm utterly crazy. But foreign english teachers are well paid here, cost of living is cheap, cab rides are cheap compared any North American city, and sometimes I feel in a culture where they're highly suspicious of any and all foreigners, creating a culture among cab drivers that "foreigner = tip" makes it a bit easier for all of us.
Another time I was at a bar with a friend and our tab came to about 50,000 won. Again, you don't tip. However, I left 7,000 won on the table. We were heading out of the bar, going down the stairs, when the waitress came screaming out of the bar with the money. In Korean she was shouting that we left money on the table. My co-worker, whose Korean is better, had to explain leaving money for waitresses was "waegook style".
Now when I leave tips in bars, I make sure the waitress has gone into the back and I can slip out in time to disappear into the busy Seoul streets without her tackling me trying to give me the money I "forgot" on the table. |
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justagirl

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Cheonan/Portland
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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ah ha! This is why the taxi drivers have started keeping my change! It's your fault!
I have enough problems with taxi drivers taking longer routes, slowing down to catch red lights, etc, and now I finally know why they expect the foreigners to pay more than what's on the meter....
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: A funny thing happened on the way to leaving a tip |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
I feel in a culture where they're highly suspicious of any and all foreigners, creating a culture among cab drivers that "foreigner = tip" makes it a bit easier for all of us.
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I'm not so sure that this does make things easier for us. I know *I* don't want people to start expecting tips from me just because I'm a foreigner. And if cabbies start expecting to be able to just keep the change whenever they have a foreign customer, I can imagine this causing more problems than it solves.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do says me. 
Last edited by Son Deureo! on Sun May 30, 2004 3:55 am; edited 1 time in total |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Tips are a dumb-ass idea. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Anything that takes more money out of my pocket is a dumbass idea. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Teheranno
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I've never had a problem with this. I usually round up the fare in taxis and if they don't want it -- I don't insist. Most drivers seem pleased with a little extra. At real fancy restaurants or bars where the service is great, I will sometimes leave 10% or so but it isn't necessary. When in Rome ... |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mind tipping for good service, but I really hate the obligatory ten percent tip that's added on in some restaurants. |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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That's fine and dandy that you want to be goody two shoes and leave a tip, but why start a precedent?
These taxi drivers, waiters, waitresses, hotel workers and hundreds of other positions are doing these jobs on their own free will. No one is forcing them to work for cheap wages.
If they want to make more money, change vocation. Learn a new skill or trade. Go back to school.
Every job is the same all over the world, the CEO is being paid millions of dollars while the lowery worker makes peanuts. Well, it's about time the peanut workers protest and stop giving these CEO's and business raises and bonuses. Same with the president of a taxi company! They are making big bucks and the drivers don't. Why stand for it? Change jobs!
But don't expect tips for doing what you're already being paid to do. People who leave tips, most I think, also are struggling to make ends meet and I think most resent it.
I of course never leave a tip in America or Canada. My friends cringe when it's time to leave a restaurant or other business! Cause they know I don't tip. I'm cheap Charlie! |
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U.S.A.

Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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In a country where tipping isn't expected, I always found dropping an extra 1,000 won here and there garnered significantly better service whenever I returned to a joint (To Insure Proper Service).
What was it out of my pocket? Basically 80 cents. The return, at least in bars, usually meant I got served rapidly. It even gained me a free shot/drink at times. From pizza delivery? The food arrived quickly and every so often they'd throw in an extra soda. In taxis? Usually just a smile. It's not that often you get the same driver (unless you're in a really small town). Beer delivery? Usually arrived quickly and sometimes some anju was added for free. Eateries? Wait staff would often give me extra beef (as in food).
Again, what would I tip? Usually just a chun-won. Then again, I heard some bar staff mention their salaries, and an extra thousand won or two was significant (along with never expected). |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote,
"But foreign english teachers are well paid here."
Perhaps, you think you are well paid. But, not all foreign English teachers are well paid. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote,
"But foreign english teachers are well paid here."
Perhaps, you think you are well paid. But, not all foreign English teachers are well paid. |
If you're making 2 million a month and you get a free apartment, that works out to a pretty good wage. Based on purchasing power, what you can reasonably save per month, and your actual take home pay as compared to many North American states or provinces, it works out to roughly earning 40K a year back at home.
While I've earned way, way more, when you consider most people here are fresh grads, few can walk into a 40K a year part time job right out of school with a History BA.
The upshot, I don't mind letting a cabbie keep 30 cents so I don't have to wait for him to fumble for change and I can get on with what I really want to do. If it leaves a cabbie happy and creates a positive feeling towards waegooks, all the better. If it pisses off other ESL teachers, that's just cream then. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
I don't mind tipping for good service, but I really hate the obligatory ten percent tip that's added on in some restaurants. |
In North America, tips in restaurants are one of the few levers of control we have. Given that most people in public service jobs aren't there for long, the distant threat of you not coming back and their place of business going belly up isn't much of an inducement to provide good service. "Gimme my pay and I'm outta this place when I've earn enough to go to Mexico for spring break!"
I don't like a culture where 15% tips are expected because the person managed to get the food from the kitchen to the table and was able to read your order from a piece of paper. I find too many waiters are like "but I get paid crappy wages so people NEED to tip me!" Tips are not there to subsidize a person's career choice.
Like I say, they're a level of control and one of the few we have and we should be glad in a way. We don't have that lever at a bank or a subway. |
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jay-shi

Joined: 09 May 2004 Location: On tour
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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i think many parts of Europe have the best take on tip in restaurants. It's included in the price of your meal. When I was living in france the waiters would usually get between 10 to 15 percent of the bill before taxes. So you automatically know they are getting tips. I used to leave a small amount extra sometimes when the service was outstanding, like 50 cents extra, and they were really happy with it. But otherwise I didn't leave anything and no one even blinked. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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And on another thread not so long ago, people were complaining about other people (both foreign and local) being cheap.  |
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CanadaCommando

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Location: People's Republic of C.C.
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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I dont agree with the added on tip because then it has nothing to do with service...its just an extra charge.
I have no problem tossing the cabbie an extra 300 won if I think he deserves it. That's just how I feel. If I think they took the long route, or the service I get isnt great-no tip. That's just my call...I know Koreans dont expect tips, I just like to give it occasionally.
Anybody that doesnt tip back home....thats just cheap. Tipping is the culture back home. Hellofaniceguy...A nice guy you may be, but not to your servers! If I was your friend, I would cringe when the bill came too. Actually, I would be a lil pissed because I would feel obliged to make up what your tip shoulda been  |
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