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Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FTs
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:15 am    Post subject: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FTs Reply with quote

This came to mind after a discussion I had a couple of weeks ago with a friend of mine who lives in Daegu. She is married to a Korean guy we know and they have a mixed daughter who attends a local hakwon that offers kindergarten.

Their daughter looks Korean and the mixed heritage is not that apparent.

Anyway, their daughter attends a kindie hakwon that hires 2 FTs.

I wonder if any people here have had similar experiences and how that went if they had to interact with a FT teaching their kid.

I had to do that when our son was in a kindie Hakwon in Busan and for the most part it was a pretty cool experience. The 3 FTs that interacted with my son were nice.

My 3 nieces being fully Korean attend regular school and the oldest is now in middle school. She had a few FTs teach her over the years and one of them turned out to be an idiot but that does happen. She also had some idiot Korean teachers. I visited her at school a few times over the years to pick up her up when we took her shopping or to another activity and it always was an amusing experience as initially the staff at the school had no idea I was her uncle.

The idiot FT was a lone case but he was one for the ages. I met him in the school after I had gone to talk to the admin to advise them I would be picking her my niece a bit early. He saw me and naturally came up to say hello, assuming I was either teaching there or going to teach there. That was fine until he started commenting on the students there, including my niece. The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece. Still, lone case and I just wonder what experiences parents of mixed kids or people like me who have Korean nephews or nieces have had with FTs.

For the record, my experiences have been overwhelmingly positive.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My kid's first English FT was a bitter old witch who treated him with disdain because he wasn't fluent in English. She couldn't comprehend or accept the fact that his first language is Korean.

Hope she reads this and recognizes herself.


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Neil



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Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not what you're looking for as it's from the teachers POV and in a different country but anyway I teach middle school in Japan and coming across students with one western parent is really common here. I guess there was a large amount that became lifers in the 90s when ESL was popular here and would now have teenaged children. Korean public schools will probably be similar in 10 years time.

Some generalisations, of course I treat all the kids the same regardless of where their parents are from.

Girls are far more keen to use their English skills than boys.

Boys indeed will go out of their way to avoid using English in class, I have no idea how much English is used at home but just think boys don't want to embarass their non-English speaking classmates.

Even if their spoken English is perfect their writing needs a lot of work.

Some Japanese teachers are a bit uncomfortable that a student has better English than they do and some embrace it asking the mixed kid to help and advise the students who are struggling.

Out of about 20 mixed kids I've come across only one had zero English, I found out that his British father only speaks Japanese at home. Not my place to judge but found it a tad strange as the Japanese mum speaks English fluently.

They are resourceful...if they are rubbish at say math, they will find a classmate who is a math whizz but sucks at English and swap homework.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil wrote:
Not what you're looking for as it's from the teachers POV and in a different country but anyway I teach middle school in Japan and coming across students with one western parent is really common here. I guess there was a large amount that became lifers in the 90s when ESL was popular here and would now have teenaged children. Korean public schools will probably be similar in 10 years time.

Some generalisations, of course I treat all the kids the same regardless of where their parents are from.

Girls are far more keen to use their English skills than boys.

Boys indeed will go out of their way to avoid using English in class, I have no idea how much English is used at home but just think boys don't want to embarass their non-English speaking classmates.

Even if their spoken English is perfect their writing needs a lot of work.

Some Japanese teachers are a bit uncomfortable that a student has better English than they do and some embrace it asking the mixed kid to help and advise the students who are struggling.

Out of about 20 mixed kids I've come across only one had zero English, I found out that his British father only speaks Japanese at home. Not my place to judge but found it a tad strange as the Japanese mum speaks English fluently.

They are resourceful...if they are rubbish at say math, they will find a classmate who is a math whizz but sucks at English and swap homework.


Interesting thanks!
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread for once Patty cakes. Good job.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil wrote:
Not what you're looking for as it's from the teachers POV and in a different country but anyway I teach middle school in Japan and coming across students with one western parent is really common here. I guess there was a large amount that became lifers in the 90s when ESL was popular here and would now have teenaged children. Korean public schools will probably be similar in 10 years time.

Some generalisations, of course I treat all the kids the same regardless of where their parents are from.

Girls are far more keen to use their English skills than boys.

Boys indeed will go out of their way to avoid using English in class, I have no idea how much English is used at home but just think boys don't want to embarass their non-English speaking classmates.

Even if their spoken English is perfect their writing needs a lot of work.

Some Japanese teachers are a bit uncomfortable that a student has better English than they do and some embrace it asking the mixed kid to help and advise the students who are struggling.

Out of about 20 mixed kids I've come across only one had zero English, I found out that his British father only speaks Japanese at home. Not my place to judge but found it a tad strange as the Japanese mum speaks English fluently.

They are resourceful...if they are rubbish at say math, they will find a classmate who is a math whizz but sucks at English and swap homework.


Well, English is my kid's third language. I speak to him in a language other than English. He's now fluent in a few languages (tests at the same level as middle-school and high-school kids in three of them) and he's still in elementary school.
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geldedgoat



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
That was fine until he started commenting on the students there, including my niece. The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece.


Was he ridiculing the students unjustly?
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schwa



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
Was he ridiculing the students unjustly?

Any ridiculing of students would be inappropriate.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
That was fine until he started commenting on the students there, including my niece. The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece.


Was he ridiculing the students unjustly?


You've got a lot of growing up to do if you think that ridiculing children is acceptable behavior in any circumstance.

Not only was he being juvenile, he was also showing a great lack of professionalism.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:33 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece.


This is what happens when schools insist on hiring 20 year-olds with no experience.

And then think of all the older, more mature, nurturing people trying to get work here but who can't because they're not americans or not young enough. Crazy.
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geldedgoat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:58 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
Any ridiculing of students would be inappropriate.


12ax7 wrote:
You've got a lot of growing up to do if you think that ridiculing children is acceptable behavior in any circumstance.


Please. This girl is in middle school and deserves ridicule and much more. I met plenty like that (both violent and nonviolent) during my years in Korea.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:24 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
schwa wrote:
Any ridiculing of students would be inappropriate.


12ax7 wrote:
You've got a lot of growing up to do if you think that ridiculing children is acceptable behavior in any circumstance.


Please. This girl is in middle school and deserves ridicule and much more. I met plenty like that (both violent and nonviolent) during my years in Korea.


Don't be fooled by her parents' lack of concern for proper nutrition. She's still a child throwing a tantrum.

Besides, you know very well that's not what we're talking about. The teacher in question was making fun of the kids for different reasons.
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geldedgoat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
She's still a child throwing a tantrum.


No, she was an animal trying to assert her dominance. I'm sure if she thought it would get her more laughs than derision she would have urinated and/or defecated on the teacher as well. (Note: this is both ridicule and appropriate, despite the fact that it describes a student.)

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Besides, you know very well that's not what we're talking about. The teacher in question was making fun of the kids for different reasons.


No, I don't know that, which is why I asked. If the teacher was ridiculing her performance, aptitude, fashion, etc then yes, he was being juvenile and unprofessional. If, however, she was acting like I've seen far too many students, both in and out of Korea, behave, then she may have indeed been deserving of ridicule.

Would you care to retract your previous comment now? And apologize?

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You've got a lot of growing up to do if you think that ridiculing children is acceptable behavior in any circumstance.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
That was fine until he started commenting on the students there, including my niece. The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece.


Was he ridiculing the students unjustly?


1- As another has said: any ridiculing of students by a teacher is flat out wrong.

2- His comments were out of place, mean and really insulting. Still, it was not a huge deal.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: Foreigners with mixed kids in Korea: interacting with FT Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
The comments ridiculed his students. His face was likely worth a million bucks when I told him that one of the students he was mocking was my niece.


This is what happens when schools insist on hiring 20 year-olds with no experience.

And then think of all the older, more mature, nurturing people trying to get work here but who can't because they're not americans or not young enough. Crazy.


He was 36 at the time....and he was British
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