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sookielo
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 Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:16 am Post subject: Can they rescind an offer? |
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| Alright so my situation: I've signed a contract with a hagwon in Pusan, submitted all of my documents, and now am just waiting on a Visa Issuance Number. The deadline that the school wants me in Korea is fast approaching though and still no word on this number. So my question: if I don't get my Visa in time to meet the deadline, can the hagwon rescind my offer? In any of your guys' experience, have you heard of it happening or experienced it yourselves? |
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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: AsiaHaven
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: Re: Can they rescind an offer? |
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| sookielo wrote: |
Alright so my situation: I've signed a contract with a hagwon in Pusan, submitted all of my documents, and now am just waiting on a Visa Issuance Number. The deadline that the school wants me in Korea is fast approaching though and still no word on this number. So my question:
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| if I don't get my Visa in time to meet the deadline, can the hagwon rescind my offer? |
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In any of your guys' experience, have you heard of it happening or experienced it yourselves? |
YES. They can rescind an offer. |
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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: AsiaHaven
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Can they rescind an offer? |
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| sookielo wrote: |
| Alright so my situation: I've signed a contract with a hagwon in Pusan, submitted all of my documents, and now am just waiting on a Visa Issuance Number. The deadline that the school wants me in Korea is fast approaching though and still no word on this number. So my question: if I don't get my Visa in time to meet the deadline, can the hagwon rescind my offer? In any of your guys' experience, have you heard of it happening or experienced it yourselves? |
Yes. I know of three individuals who missed the deadline for arriving in Korea and their job was cancelled. Two public school positions and one hagwon. One arrived a day late (missed flight) the other two didn't get Visas back in time to get here.
But keep your hopes up! I also have personal experience with starting a job two weeks later than we(the school and I) had initially agreed upon.
This is ALWAYS on a case by case basis. There are so many factors mixed in with the equation. Believe me. there are no TWO situations alike in Korea.
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sookielo
Joined: 29 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Can they rescind an offer? |
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| beentheredonethat777 wrote: |
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Alright so my situation: I've signed a contract with a hagwon in Pusan, submitted all of my documents, and now am just waiting on a Visa Issuance Number. The deadline that the school wants me in Korea is fast approaching though and still no word on this number. So my question:
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In any of your guys' experience, have you heard of it happening or experienced it yourselves? |
YES. They can rescind an offer. |
Dammit. It's frustrating because I literally applied for the visa number the day after I was offered the contract. There was literally no way I could have worked any faster. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:46 am Post subject: Re: Can they rescind an offer? |
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| Alright so my situation: I've signed a contract with a hagwon in Pusan, submitted all of my documents, and now am just waiting on a Visa Issuance Number. The deadline that the school wants me in Korea is fast approaching though and still no word on this number. So my question: if I don't get my Visa in time to meet the deadline, can the hagwon rescind my offer? In any of your guys' experience, have you heard of it happening or experienced it yourselves? |
When did you send your documents to the school? With mail, filing the paperwork by the school and Immigration processing it can take from 10 days to three weeks or more to get your VIN. |
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sookielo
Joined: 29 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Can they rescind an offer? |
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| Alright so my situation: I've signed a contract with a hagwon in Pusan, submitted all of my documents, and now am just waiting on a Visa Issuance Number. The deadline that the school wants me in Korea is fast approaching though and still no word on this number. So my question: if I don't get my Visa in time to meet the deadline, can the hagwon rescind my offer? In any of your guys' experience, have you heard of it happening or experienced it yourselves? |
When did you send your documents to the school? With mail, filing the paperwork by the school and Immigration processing it can take from 10 days to three weeks or more to get your VIN. |
See, knowing this timeline, I'm seriously wondering why the hagwon set my arrival date so soon! Like I said, really really frustrating. |
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sookielo
Joined: 29 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Can they rescind an offer? |
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| Alright so my situation: I've signed a contract with a hagwon in Pusan, submitted all of my documents, and now am just waiting on a Visa Issuance Number. The deadline that the school wants me in Korea is fast approaching though and still no word on this number. So my question: if I don't get my Visa in time to meet the deadline, can the hagwon rescind my offer? In any of your guys' experience, have you heard of it happening or experienced it yourselves? |
Yes. I know of three individuals who missed the deadline for arriving in Korea and their job was cancelled. Two public school positions and one hagwon. One arrived a day late (missed flight) the other two didn't get Visas back in time to get here.
But keep your hopes up! I also have personal experience with starting a job two weeks later than we(the school and I) had initially agreed upon.
This is ALWAYS on a case by case basis. There are so many factors mixed in with the equation. Believe me. there are no TWO situations alike in Korea. |
That sounds terrifying! What happened to your friend who missed his/her flight? Were they in Korea when they found out about the cancelled job or still at the airport?
I know communication with the hagwon is the best thing in a situation like this, would you have any tips on how to approach it? Should I be begging/apologizing at this point? Not quite sure if I can handle profusely apologizing though, since I have absolutely no control over the Visa office's timeline. |
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Aine1979
Joined: 20 Jan 2013
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Contact the hagwon and ask on what date your documents were submitted to immigration. It takes 7 days for the visa issuance number. Once you have that, it's just a matter of applying for the visa.
Once you get the visa issuance number, let the school know that as it takes X days for the visa (5 working days for the UK), you intend to get a flight on a certain date, and when you will be arriving in Korea.
Once you have your visa issuance number, unless the school has another teacher in Korea who simply needs to transfer their E2, they are unlikely to rescind your job offer, because they will have to start the process again with someone else, who will arrive even later than you will.
My school wanted myself and my co-teacher there by 28th February, however due to the timeframe, he arrived on 2nd March and I didn't arrive until 10th March.
I stayed in communication with the school, and it wasn't a problem, despite my working myself into a total panic! |
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sookielo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Contact the hagwon and ask on what date your documents were submitted to immigration. It takes 7 days for the visa issuance number. Once you have that, it's just a matter of applying for the visa.
Once you get the visa issuance number, let the school know that as it takes X days for the visa (5 working days for the UK), you intend to get a flight on a certain date, and when you will be arriving in Korea.
Once you have your visa issuance number, unless the school has another teacher in Korea who simply needs to transfer their E2, they are unlikely to rescind your job offer, because they will have to start the process again with someone else, who will arrive even later than you will.
My school wanted myself and my co-teacher there by 28th February, however due to the timeframe, he arrived on 2nd March and I didn't arrive until 10th March.
I stayed in communication with the school, and it wasn't a problem, despite my working myself into a total panic! |
Ah, I see. Thank you for the sound advice Aine1979!
The strange thing is, I've been waiting 2 weeks now (counting from the day the documents were submitted to immigration) for the issuance number. I'm getting a little paranoid about the hold-up. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Aine1979 wrote: |
Contact the hagwon and ask on what date your documents were submitted to immigration. It takes 7 days for the visa issuance number. Once you have that, it's just a matter of applying for the visa.
Once you get the visa issuance number, let the school know that as it takes X days for the visa (5 working days for the UK), you intend to get a flight on a certain date, and when you will be arriving in Korea.
Once you have your visa issuance number, unless the school has another teacher in Korea who simply needs to transfer their E2, they are unlikely to rescind your job offer, because they will have to start the process again with someone else, who will arrive even later than you will.
My school wanted myself and my co-teacher there by 28th February, however due to the timeframe, he arrived on 2nd March and I didn't arrive until 10th March.
I stayed in communication with the school, and it wasn't a problem, despite my working myself into a total panic! |
Ah, I see. Thank you for the sound advice Aine1979!
The strange thing is, I've been waiting 2 weeks now (counting from the day the documents were submitted to immigration) for the issuance number. I'm getting a little paranoid about the hold-up. |
Someone here has mentioned that there have been instances where school offers were rescinded because of delays. Oddly enough, I haven't heard of such happenings, especially in public schools (unless we take into consideration the once upon a time SMOE fiasco which was a mess of a different sort).
Schools are well aware that it may take a while for the immigration officials to process documents. You school can also petition the Korean consulate to expedite the whole process (this is certainly true for public schools).
In the end, for a school to rescind a job offer at this stage is rather illogical - unless the delays were caused by NETs actions, or the school is being run by an absolute moron.
Have a nice day^^ |
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beentheredonethat777
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| Someone here has mentioned that there have been instances where school offers were rescinded because of delays. Oddly enough, I haven't heard of such happenings, especially in public schools (unless we take into consideration the once upon a time SMOE fiasco which was a mess of a different sort). |
Both cases were public school jobs! This happened last year!
I think a hogwan is less likely to rescind especially if they have prepaid the flight! |
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maximmm
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| Someone here has mentioned that there have been instances where school offers were rescinded because of delays. Oddly enough, I haven't heard of such happenings, especially in public schools (unless we take into consideration the once upon a time SMOE fiasco which was a mess of a different sort). |
Both cases were public school jobs! This happened last year!
I think a hogwan is less likely to rescind especially if they have prepaid the flight! |
This is odd - I was late by two weeks as well at one point and had no issues. Actually, I do recall another instance of a public school mess that occurred 2 years ago. September budget was not approved by the government (Just prior to the starting date - in the proper Korean style^^), and that led to most schools either not renewing teachers or not hiring new ones - even after they were 'hired'. I can certainly see schools opting to rescind the job offers during that rather turbulent time and make an excuse that they had to cut off teachers because of a deadline. As for last year - it is rather surreal for a public school to rescind a job offer - especially once they had their NET budget approved. Are you sure this happened last year and not two years ago? |
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sookielo
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My school hasn't outright said "If you're not here by our deadline, we'll have to terminate the offer" which I suppose is good. Rather, they've said "We want you here by [date omitted] at the latest."
Will I know if they're leaning towards rescinding the offer ahead of time (get a warning or something), or will it just be a "nice" surprise? |
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maximmm
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My school hasn't outright said "If you're not here by our deadline, we'll have to terminate the offer" which I suppose is good. Rather, they've said "We want you here by [date omitted] at the latest."
Will I know if they're leaning towards rescinding the offer ahead of time (get a warning or something), or will it just be a "nice" surprise? |
Tell the school to make phone calls to the Korean consulate in order to expedite the visa issuance number process.
Also, perhaps you should ask what will happen if the visa issuance process takes you beyond the supposed deadline. I wonder if they'll reply with 'you'll face grave consequences'^^
Sorry, I just love the rhetoric between the two Koreans - sea of fire, grave consequences - ^^
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130131000999 |
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sookielo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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My school hasn't outright said "If you're not here by our deadline, we'll have to terminate the offer" which I suppose is good. Rather, they've said "We want you here by [date omitted] at the latest."
Will I know if they're leaning towards rescinding the offer ahead of time (get a warning or something), or will it just be a "nice" surprise? |
Tell the school to make phone calls to the Korean consulate in order to expedite the visa issuance number process.
Also, perhaps you should ask what will happen if the visa issuance process takes you beyond the supposed deadline. I wonder if they'll reply with 'you'll face grave consequences'^^
Sorry, I just love the rhetoric between the two Koreans - sea of fire, grave consequences - ^^
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130131000999 |
Ha ha "grave consequences" makes me think I'm gonna get whacked or something.
I asked that question exactly: "what will happen if the visa process takes me beyond the supposed deadline." The answer I was given was a vague: "don't you worry, these things will work themselves out." What ....  |
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