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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject: Korean banmal question |
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There's this fella who works as a manager in my office and when he says goodbye to the whole team he users the banmal form of that phrase that means "Keep working hard"
Sounds something like:
"Sugo hae"
Is this OK? Pretty rude? Over-compensation for the fact he's 5 foot tall? |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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What is banmal? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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He's probably just trying to keep the atmosphere a little informal. But it also depends on how old he is. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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If he is the manager and the team is his subordinates, then it's ok.. he is in a senior position... so he doesn't need to be *polite*. |
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Chillin' Villain

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: Goo Row
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Half a horse.
(ba-dum-bum!)
Sorry... It's actually a casual/polite-ish way of speaking in Korean, to put it succinctly without getting all socio-linguistically crazy with the cheez whiz.
And the "sugo hae" doesn't sound particularly rude, coming from a manager... Maybe if he was saying it to someone older... Is he pretty friendly and comfortable with the team, or is he sorta condescending sometimes?
"Sugo hada" is used a lot instead of a "goodbye" greeting with storepeople/servicepeople... It's not so much a "you better keep working, slacker" kinda statement as it is a "take it easy, mang" kinda statement.
Again, people can explain it deeper, but that's the gist. |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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ah well it sounds OK then- he's kind of a weird guy, sometimes very formal he complains if I don't shave, makes the other guys tuck their shirts in, has a go if I'm wearing what he considers autumn clothing in the winter time
but then when I go to England he asks me to bring him back viagra, and he once challenged me to an arm wrestle.
Strange guy. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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SJ, you are dealing with Korean men here.. strange is their middle name!!!!!!! (yeah that includes my husband too - he hates kimchi.. that IS strange for a Korean, no?)  |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Swiss James wrote: |
ah well it sounds OK then- he's kind of a weird guy, sometimes very formal he complains if I don't shave, makes the other guys tuck their shirts in, has a go if I'm wearing what he considers autumn clothing in the winter time
but then when I go to England he asks me to bring him back viagra, and he once challenged me to an arm wrestle.
Strange guy. |
Ohh, that kind of guy. In that case, his "sugo hae" might be a bit on the rude side. My superiors pretty much always use the polite forms when they are talking to me or other employees, especially during greetings... but banmal can have a cozy feel to it, from the right people (not from the arm-wrestler guys though -- those guys drive me nuts, and yes, your manager is one among many). |
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Bunnymonster

Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Swiss James wrote: |
he once challenged me to an arm wrestle. |
Did you win?? |
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HapKi

Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:03 am Post subject: |
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sugo-haseyo is better for all around use (cashiers, taxi drivers), though sugo hae is fine for your secretary. It means "work hard.'
I've heard, though, that its not good in any form, even the ultra polite one, when talking to doctors, your school's president, etc.. as if they don't want you telling them what to do. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: |
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You don't generally use it on someone you have to respect or revere (!)... So yeah, you won't use it on the doc or the school prez... but you would use it on the postmen/ delivery men etc. |
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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Korean banmal question |
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Swiss James wrote: |
There's this fella who works as a manager in my office and when he says goodbye to the whole team he users the banmal form of that phrase that means "Keep working hard"
Sounds something like:
"Sugo hae"
Is this OK? Pretty rude? Over-compensation for the fact he's 5 foot tall? |
Korea is a vertical society. If he is your manager then using panmal is his right, and is recognised by everyone in Korean society. But I dont think ���� �߾� is bad anyway. You can translate it as 'thanks for hard work'. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:14 am Post subject: |
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HapKi wrote: |
sugo-haseyo is better for all around use (cashiers, taxi drivers), though sugo hae is fine for your secretary. It means "work hard.'
I've heard, though, that its not good in any form, even the ultra polite one, when talking to doctors, your school's president, etc.. as if they don't want you telling them what to do. |
How about sugohaessuminida. It's polite enough (and expected) to use with your martial arts master, is it not polite enough to use with your doctor , school prez, etc.? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I remember living with a Korean roommate back in Vancouver. One day I came home and he said �����߾��. I thought he said sugoissuyo (�������ê��裩so I said "Nani ga?" ����������and he was like "what?!"
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:02 am Post subject: |
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he's kind of a weird guy, sometimes very formal he complains if I don't shave, makes the other guys tuck their shirts in |
Shaving and tucking your shirt in is 'very formal'? |
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