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Have you experienced much racism from Koreans?
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Have you personally experienced mostly negative attention from random Koreans or mostly positive? (Random Koreans meaning Koreans met in the street, the mall, the coffee shop, not Koreans met in the hakwon, or other institutions used to foreigners.)
Yes, mostly negative.
17%
 17%  [ 13 ]
No, mostly positive.
67%
 67%  [ 49 ]
About even
15%
 15%  [ 11 ]
Total Votes : 73

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jinglejangle



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Location: Far far far away.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:12 am    Post subject: Have you experienced much racism from Koreans? Reply with quote

I've had mostly positive experiences, especially from women, even discounting those who are clearly hitting me up for free englishy. But there have been quite a few negative ones as well.

I'm also especially curious about non caucasians' experiences, to include Asians, after their non korean identity was discovered.

Also curious about abuse directed at Korean wives of foreigners, and at mixed korean/westerner kids.
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago I was with a group of Koreans and we wanted to go into a club that was where the Limelight is now located. They would not let me in. Blew my mind that I was in the foreigner area and was not allowed in a club there.

Otherwise, nothing else.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get a fair bit of passive aggro from the guys, especially if I'm with a Korean woman. So far it hasn't amounted to more than some aggressive stares,comments in Korean to another Korean, or attempts to draw me into some xenophobic conversation.
I get some attention from whackos too...anybody generally disgruntled with life I guess.

No attacks or direct intimidation though, maybe the occasional "Miguk go home" thing shouted from some distant person 100yards away..
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jinglejangle



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Location: Far far far away.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chiaa wrote:
A few years ago I was with a group of Koreans and we wanted to go into a club that was where the Limelight is now located. They would not let me in. Blew my mind that I was in the foreigner area and was not allowed in a club there.

Otherwise, nothing else.


I've been refused entry to a couple of smaller places in Itaewon.
Mostly run into that in ShinChon though.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from the constant whispering when I'm with my gf, I get treated like gold.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've recieved a lot of positive attention here, random compliments, discounts or extra bonuses and that kind of thing are pretty common. The thing is, the negative attention I've gotten while rare, has been quite intense at times. I realize they were the acts of a handful of freaks, and try not to let that color my view of the country and my treatment overall.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the range of it. Sometimes I'm treated like a minor star. Other times (especially when I'm with a girl) I am soemtimes treated very rudely. I joined Itaewonguy and Kiwiboy for drinks in Hongdae once, and some young university k-guys continually tried to hit on the girls we were with. Itaewonguy heard much of what they said, which was basically a lot of questions for the girls like, "Why are you here with Western guys?" The guys just wouldn't go away, or take a hint to do so. The girls ignored them a lot.

As I've mentioned before, in three years here, I've been spit on twice, hit and pushed once, bumped hard another time, and one female friend I had lunch with was swung at by a crazy old schizo ajosshi as he swore at her for being with a foreigner. Other various cracks were made at me when I was with certain girls. I have learned that the cracks don't seem to happen if we are both dressed nicely. Odd, but true.

My current girlfriend and I don't seem to have too many troubles. She doesn't look like the typical "Itaewon type" and often doesn't like to wear make-up, so we don't get any flak. Sometimes I think it's because she always has this puppy-dog look in her eyes that says she's head-over-heels in love. We walk all over with arms around each other, or her head firmly buried into my side. I also think it has a lot to do with the clothing she wears, and that she looks more Japanese than Korean. She doesn't wear much crazy stuff yet, although I'm working on that. She is especially gifted with a fabulous pair of legs and adorable feet, and should show them off a bit (her female co-worker was enamoured with them, and took several pics for her cyworld page -- odd). My girl has always been the shy conservative type, but she's finding her confidence and is having fun with it.

Courtesy of me, she bought a pair of 11cm Nine-West heels, and she chipped in on some knee-high hose, and a mini-skirt for spring. I'm sure we'll get some angry stares after she wears that. Laughing
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are getting discriminated against just say this.

Cha-Byeol-hae-Yo?????? - basically means are you discrimating????

That should get their attention a little...
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to explain, isn't it? Most of us may not get much direct racism or whatever similar crap day to day, but after a good while here, like a few years, things can weigh on you. There's just something that weighs on the psychology. And it can be hard to take sometimes.
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a damned thing.

I'm just a sweetie.
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jinglejangle



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Location: Far far far away.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
It's hard to explain, isn't it? Most of us may not get much direct racism or whatever similar crap day to day, but after a good while here, like a few years, things can weigh on you. There's just something that weighs on the psychology. And it can be hard to take sometimes.


I know what you mean. Actually, studying Korean and the culture during the whole tanks are bigger than junior high girls fiasco, and then coming here, I was pretty psyched out about the whole thing. Then my first day out in Seoul, walking by myself, I though for sure I was gonna get jumped at any moment. Then some crazy looking old ass wino type ajushi came up and wanted to thank me for being here and shake my hand and all this. It really cheered me up. Then 30 min later I got hit with by a motorcycle on the sidewalk.

Sigh....

But your right, it does weigh on the Seoul at times. I can't imagine what it's like after being here for years.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I could accurately describe what it is. It's the cumulative progession of memory heaping upon itself. It's mathematical. It's the everyday glum looks and little comments. It's the rude and ignorant kids. It's the inabiltiy to communicate. It's called living in a totally foreign culture. It's the crowds and the sameness of Koreans. It's a lot of things. It makes it a hard place to stay for long, unless you have breaks, or good social support.

It's a fine place to leave.
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:

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It's hard to explain, isn't it? Most of us may not get much direct racism or whatever similar crap day to day, but after a good while here, like a few years, things can weigh on you. There's just something that weighs on the psychology. And it can be hard to take sometimes.


I think a lot of that has to do with living in a culture that is completely different from the one we were brought up in. After five years in Korea I could count the number of racially motivated incidents on one hand, i.e., very few. And I had good things happen to me almost daily--more than enough to take the "systemic racism against whitey" tales with more than a bit of incredulity. But I knew I'd always be an outsider in Korea, and it was a consideration in deciding not to stay in Korea forever--not the only reason, but one of them. I'll never be Korean no matter how much I appreciate the country and culture.

People can become uncomfortable with a place without the discomfort coming directly from racism. Different traditions, different expectations, manners and customs we don't agree with--it's all there. Foreigners mix mostly with foreigners in Korea because that's what we are comfortable with. Most people take the path of least resistance. I applaud those who really immerse themselves in Korean language and culture--I'm sure they reap great social benefits from it.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mostly positive, especially when they see I can speak Korean.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overwhelmingly positive.

Only a couple of minor negative experiences (related to this topic)
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