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Brady
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 Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: Correct Pronunciation of "Seolnal" |
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| Everytime I say this word Koreans look at me like an alien just popped out of my chest. Then after a few painful repetitions they finally get it, and repeat it exactly the way I said it. What gives? |
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peony
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| it should be pronounced with a soft 's' - sull nal |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Soul-lal
The reason being is this...
설날 is spelled out like this Seol-Nal however...
When the ㄴ(n) is preceeded by the ㄹ(l) in the patchim before the "n" sound becomes an "l" sound..
So even though it is spelled Seol-nal the actual pronunciation is Seol-lal
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Brady
Joined: 25 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Gotcha, thanks. |
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J.B. Clamence
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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just because is correct. n + l = ll in Korean pronunciation.
In fact, the official present transliteration of the holiday is actually "Seollal."
Other examples of n + l = ll:
- Jeollanam-do (province)
- Jeollabuk-do (province)
- Mullae (subway stop near Shindorim)
- Mt. Halla (South Korea's highest peak)
- Shilla (ancient Korean kingdom) |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
just because is correct. n + l = ll in Korean pronunciation.
In fact, the official present transliteration of the holiday is actually "Seollal."
Other examples of n + l = ll:
- Jeollanam-do (province)
- Jeollabuk-do (province)
- Mullae (subway stop near Shindorim)
- Mt. Halla (South Korea's highest peak)
- Shilla (ancient Korean kingdom) |
Those are all ㄴ + ㄹ, but 설날 is ㄹ + ㄴ, so that confuses me.
I know you are right about the pronunciation of 설날, but can you (or anyone) think of other examples withi the ㄹ --> ㄴ combination?
Okay playing around on Naver I found 힐난. Would that be pronounced 힐란? '길나다'도 찾았다. 그 단어를 '길라'라고 발음해야하나요? |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| Those are all ㄴ + ㄹ, but 설날 is ㄹ + ㄴ |
Yes, you're right. Sorry, I didn't notice that when I wrote them. However, the pronunciation is actually the same whether it's "n + l" or "l + n." (If you have the Tuttle Elementary Korean textbook, this is explained on p. 48.) The only example of "l + n" they provide is illyeon (one year). I personally can't think of others. As for "hillan", according to the rules, I would assume that would be a double l pronunciation, unless there is another rule or exception I am unaware of. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Yes I have that book but I forgot the ㄹ -> ㄴ rule since it so rarely appears.
Thanks for the info. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| 관리. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Still ㄴ ㅡ> ㄹ. Okay.. I'm gonna go ask someone about the other words. Will update. 
EDIT: Yeah I went downstairs to ask the guy at the store about it. He said 설날 is pronounced 설랄, but when I showed him 힐난 and 길나다 he said they are pronounced just like they look. 복잡해! |
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tzechuk
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
Still ㄴ ㅡ> ㄹ. Okay.. I'm gonna go ask someone about the other words. Will update.
EDIT: Yeah I went downstairs to ask the guy at the store about it. He said 설날 is pronounced 설랄, but when I showed him 힐난 and 길나다 he said they are pronounced just like they look. 복잡해! |
It's probably like English - what's the most comfortable for the tongue.. or how it's always been said. So no rules, just do as you are told!  |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Just realized this one when I was asked last night how long I've been in Korea -- 일년. The woman definitely pronounced it 일련, though maybe my ears need cleaning. |
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billybrobby
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