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R. S. Refugee
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 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:53 am Post subject: Congressmen say evidence exists to impeach Bush. |
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British bombing raids were
illegal, says Foreign Office
Michael Smith
A SHARP increase in British and American bombing raids on Iraq in the run-up to war ��to put pressure on the regime�� was illegal under international law, according to leaked Foreign Office legal advice.
The advice was first provided to senior ministers in March 2002. Two months later RAF and USAF jets began ��spikes of activity�� designed to goad Saddam Hussein into retaliating and giving the allies a pretext for war.
The Foreign Office advice shows military action to pressurise the regime was ��not consistent with�� UN law, despite American claims that it was.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1660300,00.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Democratic congressmen claimed last week the evidence it contains is grounds for impeaching President George Bush.
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That's pretty vague. Any idea who they are? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Article II
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
I'm neither a legal scholar nor a constitutional expert, but I'm having difficulty seeing where any of the violations mentioned in the article are covered in Article II, Section 4.
Clarifying opinions are welcome. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Accusing him of being a monkey didn't go over well. The DNA test didn't come out right. After that, accusations of WAR CRIMES gets more attention. |
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Emma Goldman
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Location: state of anarchy
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| We'll see if enough congress men and women have the courage to take this all the way. And if the U.S. media has the courage to cover it adequately. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Article II
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
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I see no mention of BJ there so to have gone for Clinton, the list must have been extended.
Was it for "lying" that he was impeached but acquitted? |
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Emma Goldman
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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It must have been either a high crime or a miss-demeanor. Maybe both.
In America, sex can be a heinous crime, but state sanctioned violence is celebrated. This is the most extreme of perversities. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Emma Goldman wrote: |
It must have been either a high crime or a miss-demeanor. Maybe both.
In America, sex can be a heinous crime, but state sanctioned violence is celebrated. This is the most extreme of perversities. |
Definitely a Miss Demeanor. She was unmarried I believe?  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Perjury article: William Jefferson Clinton provided "perjurious, false and misleading testimony" before Independent Counsel Ken Starr's grand jury.
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Obstruction of justice article: William Jefferson Clinton obstructed justice to "delay, impede, cover up, and conceal the existence of evidence" related to the Jones case.
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Above are summaries of the two articles of impeachment for Clinton.
IMO the real reason behind Clinton's impeachment was that Henry Hyde was years past his prime when he had an affair and was just jealous that Bill was still getting some.
BTW, welcome Soviet...umm, er Emma. |
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Emma Goldman
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Perjury article: William Jefferson Clinton provided "perjurious, false and misleading testimony" before Independent Counsel Ken Starr's grand jury.
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Obstruction of justice article: William Jefferson Clinton obstructed justice to "delay, impede, cover up, and conceal the existence of evidence" related to the Jones case.
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Above are summaries of the two articles of impeachment for Clinton.
IMO the real reason behind Clinton's impeachment was that Henry Hyde was years past his prime when he had an affair and was just jealous that Bill was still getting some.
BTW, welcome Soviet...umm, er Emma. |
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Thanks for the welcome, but it is a case of mistaken identity, I believe.
Emma was an anarchist who was very critical of the Soviet Union. She is generally misunderstood, which is too bad.
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In a face-to-face meeting with Lenin in 1920, Goldman and Berkman questioned the Soviet leader on the lack of freedom of speech and the press and the persecution of anarchists in Soviet Russia. The inadequacy of Lenin's response, together with growing repression in Russia and the slaughter of the Kronstadt rebels in 1921, prompted the two anarchists to leave the Soviet Union after only 23 months in residence.
Although Goldman continued to defend the revolution, she distinguished it carefully from the subsequent Bolshevik regime. In 1923, she published My Disillusionment in Russia, in which she argued forcefully that the emergence of the Bolshevik party-state had crushed the true revolution. Notwithstanding the prescience of her critique, the persistence and energy of Goldman's anti-Bolshevism earned her the enmity of many European and American leftists. |
http://www.jwa.org/exhibits/wov/goldman/deport.html |
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mateomiguel
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| The Foreign Office advice shows military action to pressurise the regime was ��not consistent with�� UN law, despite American claims that it was. |
I think that calling the president of the US onto the carpet for breaking UN law would be giving the UN more power than it is capable of handling... that is, unless you want to run the world into the ground via bureaucratic squabbling. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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It is becoming ever so obvious that they were trying to goad Saddam Hussein into retaliating and giving the allies a pretext for war.
I don't know enough about US law to say if this is impeachable or not but there is no longer any doubt that the administration wanted this war. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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It is becoming ever so obvious that they were trying to goad Saddam Hussein into retaliating and giving the allies a pretext for war.
I don't know enough about US law to say if this is impeachable or not but there is no longer any doubt that the administration wanted this war. |
Saddam never gave up his war. If he had there would have been no war.
Libya - more or less gave up their war - the US isn't bothering them.
Lets not forget
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Baghdad was for years the official, undisguised home address of Abu Nidal, then the most-wanted gangster in the world, who had been sentenced to death even by the PLO and had blown up airports in Vienna* and Rome. Baghdad was the safe house for the man whose "operation" murdered Leon Klinghoffer. Saddam boasted publicly of his financial sponsorship of suicide bombers in Israel. (Quite a few Americans of all denominations walk the streets of Jerusalem.) In 1991, a large number of Western hostages were taken by the hideous Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and held in terrible conditions for a long time. After that same invasion was repelled—Saddam having killed quite a few Americans and Egyptians and Syrians and Brits in the meantime and having threatened to kill many more—the Iraqi secret police were caught trying to murder former President Bush during his visit to Kuwait. Never mind whether his son should take that personally. (Though why should he not?) Should you and I not resent any foreign dictatorship that attempts to kill one of our retired chief executives? (President Clinton certainly took it that way: He ordered the destruction by cruise missiles of the Baathist "security" headquarters.) Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country. In 1993, a certain Mr. Yasin helped mix the chemicals for the bomb at the World Trade Center and then skipped to Iraq, where he remained a guest of the state until the overthrow of Saddam. In 2001, Saddam's regime was the only one in the region that openly celebrated the attacks on New York and Washington and described them as just the beginning of a larger revenge. Its official media regularly spewed out a stream of anti-Semitic incitement. I think one might describe that as "threatening," even if one was narrow enough to think that anti-Semitism only menaces Jews. And it was after, and not before, the 9/11 attacks that Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war. On Dec. 1, 2003, the New York Times reported—and the David Kay report had established—that Saddam had been secretly negotiating with the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il in a series of secret meetings in Syria, as late as the spring of 2003, to buy a North Korean missile system, and missile-production system, right off the shelf. (This attempt was not uncovered until after the fall of Baghdad, the coalition's presence having meanwhile put an end to the negotiations.) |
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
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Finally, we cannot forget that all evidence has shown Saddam Hussein to be an incorrigible optimist who willfully ignores signs of danger. Consider that on at least five occasions over the last three decades, he has embarked on foreign policy adventures that nearly destroyed him: his attack on Iraq's Kurds in 1974 (which might have ended in an Iranian assault on Baghdad if the shah of Iran had not unexpectedly decided to double-cross the Kurds instead); his invasion of Iran in 1980; his invasion of Kuwait in 1990; his assassination attempt against former President Bush in 1993; and his threatened attack on Kuwait in 1994. In each case, he took a course of action that we know even his closest advisers considered extremely dangerous. |
http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/pollack/20030221.htm |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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........and we know now that Saddam was not a threat. Not to the West and not even in his own region.
You are just making excuses for the lies the adminstration told to justify the war. Bringing up the Kurds and Iran is pointless because the US supported the invasion of Iran and did not care that Saddam has gassed the Kurds. This is old news and crocodile tears over that tragedy now means little. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| and we know now that Saddam was not a threat |
No. Saddam may not have been an immediate and imminent threat, but he was definitely on the radar. Or did we read the Kay Reports selectively? |
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