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Rock
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: "Blood Atonement" |
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Interesting book out about Mormons called 'Under the Banner of Heaven.' Couple of Mormon guys murdered a mother and her child under the guise of "Blood Atonement."
This is a real teaching promulgated by Bringham Young and Joseph Smith that specifies "The only way a far-gone sinner can be redeemed and forgiven is to spill their blood on the earth. . .their sins are beyond God's grace. . ."
What's more, plural marriage is still practiced by about 30,000 Mormons, possible even 100,000(secretly.) Young woman are taken against their will, sometimes kidnapped, sexually abused and even raped.
Now, how can these guys(Mormon missionaries,) roaming the streets here not face these sad facts? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| Now, how can these guys(Mormon missionaries,) roaming the streets here not face these sad facts? |
What sad facts? There are about 5 million Mormons in the US. 2 of them commited a murder. 30,000 out of 5 million have irregular marriages. (And those are in a splinter group, not the mainstream).
What's your point? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Maybe because your OP is hogwash?
- The Lafferty brothers weren't Mormons. They were part of a polygamist group.
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not preach polygamy and excommunicates those members who do preach it or get involved in it.
For those who aren't too lazy to do the research:
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| It is important to note, however, that apostate Mormon groups have no affiliation with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. |
And a bit more actual information about Blood Atonement than your swipe above.
Since the LDS missionaries have nothing to do with the Lafferty brothers, your OP is kind of irrelevant. Maybe next time you take a swipe at a goup, you'll do the research and learn which group is which so you don't tar the wrong one again.
Ya-ta Boy: The five million figure does not include the splinter groups. They are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| there are just one too many letter Ms in that word. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Some people like to link extremists in with the main stream "choose your favorite label" group.
Not all Muslims are terrorists.
Not all Christian are snake handlers.
Not all Christian are bible thumping imbeciles.
All Mormans are Christians.
All Mormans are not memebers of the LDS.
Not all Mormans practice polygamy.
Jefferson Airplane is not a sect of the Jehovah's Witnesses. |
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Rock
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Now, how can these guys(Mormon missionaries,) roaming the streets here not face these sad facts? |
What sad facts? There are about 5 million Mormons in the US. 2 of them commited a murder. 30,000 out of 5 million have irregular marriages. (And those are in a splinter group, not the mainstream).
What's your point? |
No Ya-Ta Boy, your facts are mistaken. 5 MILLIONS MORMONS, OR LDS'S, BELIEVE IN THE SAME TEACHINGS OF THE BOOK OF MORMON!
Who wrote the Book of Mormon Ya-Ta Boy? Wasn't it the same person both groups call the founder of their faith, the one they follow and believe in?
This is my point. How can they(the LDS's) differentiate the two and say "Oh, Joseph said blood atonement was a revelation from God. . .but we deny it exists. . .yet we still believe Joseph's teaching and the book of Mormon are sacred.
Come on, man, more could be said. As for polygamy, SOME OF THE LDS'S THEMSELVES ARE SAID TO HAVE CONTINUED THE PRACTICE, AND STILL CARRY IT ON! |
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Rock
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
Maybe because your OP is hogwash?
- The Lafferty brothers weren't Mormons. They were part of a polygamist group.
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not preach polygamy and excommunicates those members who do preach it or get involved in it.
For those who aren't too lazy to do the research:
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| It is important to note, however, that apostate Mormon groups have no affiliation with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. |
And a bit more actual information about Blood Atonement than your swipe above.
Since the LDS missionaries have nothing to do with the Lafferty brothers, your OP is kind of irrelevant. Maybe next time you take a swipe at a goup, you'll do the research and learn which group is which so you don't tar the wrong one again.
Ya-ta Boy: The five million figure does not include the splinter groups. They are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. |
No body's taking a "swipe," but presenting facts.
Both believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, and the founder of their faith.
Joe said "blood atonement" was a reality.
Therefore, both are guilty of the same sad facts, no? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Get back with us after you learn the definitions of fact and relevance. |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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I've read that book and I can tell from your post that you have not.
John Krakhauer is also the author of "Into the Wild" and a lot of adventure travel stuff, including a book about a failed Mt. Everest expedition that he was a part of. I can't remember the name of it right now, but it was a real page turner. I stayed up all night to read it and now the title totally escapes me. I hate that!
Anyway, the book will take you on quite a journey and as you read about tracking down the killers, you will also learn a lot about Mormonism and about what it's followers call Mormon fundamentalism. |
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