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pet lover
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 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal?? |
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| The government requires institutes not to charge more than 10,000 won an hour in order to curb the soaring fees. |
Entire article found here: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/08/08/200508080010.asp
So, are we all working at illegal hagwons or what? I don't know how much my hagwon charges, but it is certainly a good deal more than 10,000 won per hour!!!! |
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inkoreaforgood
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Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal?? |
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| The government requires institutes not to charge more than 10,000 won an hour in order to curb the soaring fees. |
Entire article found here: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/08/08/200508080010.asp
So, are we all working at illegal hagwons or what? I don't know how much my hagwon charges, but it is certainly a good deal more than 10,000 won per hour!!!! |
They were refering to cram schools for the SATs. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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"The mother said, "For people around me, 3 million won a month for private education is not such a big amount, but I was stunned to hear that the schools fabricate community service and other extracurricular activities to make up an impressive essay."
"They arranged a trip for students to visit a Korean professor in the United States and helped students write things they didn't do. Isn't it too overblown?" |
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Pyongshin Sangja
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't it too overblown? |
This quote got me. Does she mean that she thinks plagiarism is acceptable?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if she did. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
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This quote got me. Does she mean that she thinks plagiarism is acceptable?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if she did.
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I know of at least two companies who write university application essays for students. 100%. If that weren't bad enough, the applications are almost always to top universities, not podunk schools. Of course. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
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I know a Korean with an MBA from Boston College who can't even write a one page letter.
Think he did that without ghost-writers the whole way through? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:31 am Post subject: |
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I know a Korean with an MBA from Boston College who can't even write a one page letter.
Think he did that without ghost-writers the whole way through? |
Very likey that he used ghost-writers. I know many people in Chile who are unable to pursue an MBA even there -- at Universidad Catolica and several other schools -- because most business texts are in English.
Judging from the Korean who came into my graduate program in history in a major southern California university who could speak no English even though he had supposedly passed all the tests and met all of the entrance requirements, it seems very likely some serious corruption is at work under the surface. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal?? |
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| pet lover wrote: |
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| The government requires institutes not to charge more than 10,000 won an hour in order to curb the soaring fees. |
Entire article found here: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/08/08/200508080010.asp
So, are we all working at illegal hagwons or what? I don't know how much my hagwon charges, but it is certainly a good deal more than 10,000 won per hour!!!! |
Um, they probably pay quite a bit less than 10,000 per hour for the amount of time the student spends in the classroom. At my school they spend 100,000/mo, an hour a day, 20 days a month. That works out to 5,000/hr. Since I usually have more than one student in my classroom, the school can afford to pay me quite a bit more than that per hour.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of laws get broken here on a daily basis, but if this law is real, it probably isn't getting broken at most kiddie hogwons because the competition out there is pretty brutal. |
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Southern Drawl
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| The law is real. The Korean government decides how much institutes can charge per hour of instruction. I know this because I've been to the Ministry of Education to speak to them about opening an institute. They showed me a document listing how much an English institute can charge, an piano school, a cooking school, etc. So the charge per hour depends on what kind of school you open and also what Dong your school is in. Some areas can charge more per hour than other areas. It's not a free market. It's controlled by the government. At least they try to control it. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
I know a Korean with an MBA from Boston College who can't even write a one page letter.
Think he did that without ghost-writers the whole way through? |
Heck..I am sure we all know some Westerners who also don't know their a$$ from their elbow and how did they ever graduate with a MD degree, law degree, etc...
But I hear ya!
We have a director at this university, a korean uni, with a PhD mind you...who is in charge of the English Language department..AND HE CAN'T speak a lick of English! We also have to proof read his monthly publications for the uni! Go figure!
We get along like Dokdo and Takashima...I am always on his case about his lack of English speaking/writing skills and he heads the department!
Needless to say..he wants me gone! I don't give him any reason to fire me job proformance wise! But I still ride him! |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
I know a Korean with an MBA from Boston College who can't even write a one page letter.
Think he did that without ghost-writers the whole way through? |
Very likey that he used ghost-writers. I know many people in Chile who are unable to pursue an MBA even there -- at Universidad Catolica and several other schools -- because most business texts are in English.
Judging from the Korean who came into my graduate program in history in a major southern California university who could speak no English even though he had supposedly passed all the tests and met all of the entrance requirements, it seems very likely some serious corruption is at work under the surface. |
Ghostwriters investigated
Firms selling graduate projects face charges
The government is investigating illegal ghostwriting businesses that write theses and dissertations for college and graduate students. According to the prosecution, these services are becoming increasingly popular, attracting customers through the Internet. Many academic degrees have been conferred upon unqualified students, the prosecution said. The customers paid between 1.5 million won and 4 million won per thesis. A professor who was part of an examination committee that accepted several ghostwritten theses said, "The quality of the theses was poor, but I didn't want to disqualify them. I never knew they were written by others." The prosecution suspects that at least 30 illegal ghostwriting businesses are in operation.
by Kang Joo-an, JoongAng Daily (March 17, 2003)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200303/17/200303170205221879900090409041.html
Education Ministry cracks down on 'degree business'
Education authorities are set to investigate irregularities at medical schools following a recent disclosure some professors were bribed by doctors to provide master's and doctorate degrees. The going price for a master's degree was 5 million won and a doctorate 15 million won, according to the prosecutor. Five universities, including Chunbook National University and Kyung Hee University, were involved in the scandal and 198 doctors were given frauduleant certificates, the investigator said. The Hanyang doctor said professors at provincial universities are in a financial bind for research fees and thus naturally pursue funds, albeit illegal.
by Jin Hyun-joo, Korea Herald (April 4, 2005)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/04/05/200504050003.asp
51 Universities Face Penalties for Fraud
by Chung Ah-young, Korea Times (April 19, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200504/kt2005041917215911970.htm
Corrupt professors common, students say
by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html
Income Tax to Be Levied on Bribes
by Jung Sung-ki, Korea Times (April 22, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200504/kt2005042217230511990.htm
78 Percent of Koreans Consider Corruption Level Serious
Donga.com (June 17, 2005)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005061709768
Rotten to the Core?
Chosun Ilbo (October 9, 2003)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200310/200310080034.html
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:42 am Post subject: Re: Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal?? |
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| The government requires institutes not to charge more than 10,000 won an hour in order to curb the soaring fees. |
Entire article found here: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/08/08/200508080010.asp
So, are we all working at illegal hagwons or what? I don't know how much my hagwon charges, but it is certainly a good deal more than 10,000 won per hour!!!! |
Oh, another hagwon law to be broken. Put this on a plaque next to the one that says hogwans cannot charge more than 100,000/mnth per student. |
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Dawn
Joined: 06 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal?? |
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| So, are we all working at illegal hagwons or what? I don't know how much my hagwon charges, but it is certainly a good deal more than 10,000 won per hour!!!! |
Not necessarily. Keep in mind that there are a lot of instructional hours in one month's tiution. In the average month, you'll have 20 or more instructional days, so W200,000 a month for daily hour-long classes would be legal. If a school offers longer classes -- say eighty minutes a day -- for that amount, well, that's icing on the cake (and leaves room for a tuition hike at some point in the future). |
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