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Gollum



Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: Is this country a joke? Reply with quote

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/08/13/200508130017.asp


President Roh Moo-hyun will grant special Liberation Day pardons for more than 4.22 million people, including scores of politicians and former government officials convicted of corruption and election law violations.



Jeez.. how many people live in this freakin country??? Isn't that like 1/3rd of the population of Seoul?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already posted, see
Is this GOOD or BAD? 4.22 Million Granted Amnesty.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=43155

... the government decided to grant pardons to some 4.22 million people, including politicians. This is the fourth largest number of people who have been granted amnesty: 7 million in 1995, 5.5 million in 1998 and 4.8 million in 2002.
By Kim Rahn, Korea Times (August 12, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200508/kt2005081217273111950.htm
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must be an election coming very soon...
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think over 4 million were traffic law offenders.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Cup amnesty for traffic offenders
Drivers who received black marks under the Traffic Regulation Law before June 30 will be eliminated from the blacklist. Additionally, those whose licenses were revoked or suspended for 1 to 5 years will be exempted from further punishment.

These changes reflect the government's desire to maintain the festive mood of the World Cup and to celebrate the national team's advance to the semifinal. The government announced the decision after a state affairs meeting on Tuesday. Drivers with suspended licenses may retrieve their cards from local police stations regardless of the amount of time remaining in the suspension period. Fines related to the offense must still be paid, however.
JoongAng Ilbo (July 9, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200207/09/200207092343293009900090409041.html

[Editorials] Be prudent with pardons
And pardons on Independence Day and National Liberation Day have become almost annual events. Even during this month, 4.8 million traffic law violators have been granted pardons along with 508,000 minor debtors in celebration of the World Cup.
JoongAng Ilbo (July 22, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200207/22/200207222233028049900090109011.html

Pardon is largest since 1998: Sentences of 125,000 civil servants annulled
The government will pardon 151,122 people convicted of crimes and violations of election-related laws, the Justice Ministry announced yesterday. It has been customary for the ministry to grant such pardons each year to mark Aug. 15, Liberation Day. It is the largest pardon for civil servants since 1998, when former President Kim Dae-jung granted a sweeping amnesty to about 160,000 civil servants.
by Jeon Jin-bae, JoongAng Daily (August 13, 2003)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200308/13/200308130212365009900090309031.html

World's Longest-Serving Political Prisoner Granted Amnesty
The government on February 22 released the names of the 8,812 people who will be freed from prison or reinstated with full rights to run for office or attain a government position. The amnesty or pardons will officially come into effect on February 25 in honor of President Kim Dae Jung's first-year anniversary in office.
JoongAng Daily (February 22, 1999)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/199902/22/199902220000040349900090409041.html
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funplanet



Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who says crime doesn't pay??? Wink

No wonder there is no respect for the rule of law in this wonderful country
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denverdeath wrote:
Must be an election coming very soon...


The president of Korea can only serve one five year term.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chiaa wrote:
denverdeath wrote:
Must be an election coming very soon...


The president of Korea can only serve one five year term.


Yes. What about a position afterwards? What about all the people perceiving him as such a wonderful, forgiving president?
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

funplanet wrote:
Who says crime doesn't pay??? Wink

No wonder there is no respect for the rule of law in this wonderful country


Yet God forbid us waegooks teach for one day without a visa. Right, Homer?
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Thank you for saying that.
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Cymro



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, I understand something my girlfriend at the time was going on about last year.

Though she liked Noh Moo-hyun, she wouldn't have minded seeing his impeachment go through as she could have got her drivers' licence back.

I thought it couldn't possibly be true. We're not together anymore, but I'm guessing she'll be among the 4,200,000 traffic-law-violating drivers to be let back on the road because ...well, why exactly?

Seriously, if 4.2million proven bad drivers are getting a nice little independence day gift, what are the millions of good drivers getting?

Is there anywhere else in the world that does this? (I mean among developed/developing countries.)

I've few complaints about Korea and it's people lately, but this is lunacy.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with the lunacy comment....

So i can go out and drive like a fool and know that every 3 or 4 years all my stupidity will be wiped away because of some government goodwill gesture....

Why would you ever pay your speeding tickets???

It looks to me also like an excuse to lessen the police workload as well..
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there anywhere else in the world that does this? (I mean among developed/developing countries.)


As far as I know, the President of the United States is allowed to pardon anyone he wants, and pardons have been granted, quite legally, to rather dubious individuals who made substantial campaign contributions. I seem to recall Clinton's pardons being an issue in the 2000 presidential election. And of course Ford pardoned Nixon.

Americans can correct me if I'm wrong about all this.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
I seem to recall Clinton's pardons being an issue in the 2000 presidential election. And of course Ford pardoned Nixon.


Clinton got into an eleventh-hour pardon spree. I'm not very well informed on this issue, at least not enough to discuss the details of it. But I believe he did draw some fire for his choices. You're right, above, it is the prerogative of the President to pardon anyone, it's legal.

Ford did indeed pardon Nixon, but Haldeman and others went to jail. Ford's pardon of Nixon was a complicated affair, as the image of a president behind bars is not a very good one. (Remember, the President is an institution more than a person.)

Reagan did not pardon North or the others involved in Iran-Contra, I recall.

I think that traffic violations fall strictly within the juristiction of the individual states, and I don't know, but I doubt that the President could pardon four million traffic violators or white collar criminals (corruption). So the President probably has limits -- not necessarily legal, but political -- on who and how many he can pardon.

One thing that I'm curious about in this thread: how many of those millions who are getting their driving privileges back in one easy sweep lost their licenses for driving while intoxicated? I don't think any U.S. president could get away with pardoning even one DUI.

I already know that no president may pardon someone convicted of domestic violence -- you can no longer buy or own a firearm in the U.S. if you are arrested, charged, or convicted for domestic violence.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Is this country a joke?


yes ONE BIG FUCKING JOKE!!!
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