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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea
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 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: OK All You Bible Thumpers |
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ok all you on here to spread the Word of God and sit all the heathens right, I have a question. First, how many times have you read your Bible cover to cover?
You come on here, more with condemnation than you do with preaching the "Good New". You see the Gospels mean "The Good News". And if you really want to convert the heathen you may start with yourselves. Start by loving the brethen as Jesus loved the church and then the world will know that you are His disciples.
This stuff you are bringing on here has nothing to do with reaching people through relationship? You are doing it to appease some religious duty within yourselves, at least that is my guess.
How many years have you been truly serving Christ? Have you loved the unlovable? Have you healed the sick? Have you helped the homeless? Not by sending money to World Vision, but by inviting them into your home???
The world does not need to see anymore judgement and condemnation from the church! The world needs to see a dynamic and loving church.
What do I mean? I mean this:
According to scripture, if Jesus walked the streets of Itaewan on a late Saturday night, the bargirls and us heathen would immediately recognize who He was. We would sense His diviness and His love. The prostitutes of the NT times went up to Him and were at His feet. He said that they were closer to the Kingdom of God than were the Pharisees (Bible Thumpers who parade their fire and brimstone message, but not the love, compassion and acceptance that Jesus paraded around the tax collectors and prostitutes. The Jesus of the NT had the prostitutes and tax collectors come into the presence of absolute purity and love without any condemnation. They were drawn toward Him
Hey, if you all went to Itaewan tonight with your message of judgement and condemnation, do you think they would flock toward you? I think not. They were run away.
We all have had enough condemnation, we all know what that is. We have heard the fire and brimstone from the likes of Jimmy Swaggart. What we are still waiting to see is the authenticity of the Gospel displayed by His church???
If you took the time to spend with people and had a relationship and they were able to see that authenticity in your life, they may inquire and want to be a part of what you claim tom believe.
Basically the question is "Where is the beef"! Do not expect anyone to come crawling at your judgmental and condemmning words and warnings. You are not Jonathan Edwards.
You are probably doing more harm for your cause than good.
My suggestion is to go to India or somewhere, get dirty, smell the stench and be a servant of God. You probablt do not know what I am saying.
But I will ask you one question. Are you doing this for your own supposed spiritual benefit, or do you really love the people on the board with the same love that Jesus asks of His true disciples.
Also, I am sooooo tired of hearing about God's judgement on the Gulf Coast of the US. The fact that some supposed church leaders have made this proclamation means they do not understand Luke 13:4
You all can take your condemnation and judgements and show me where in thre NT God told you to spread that rather than his "Good News" By the way I am ready for your arguments. I read the book a few times and more importantly I have got dirty and I have smelled the stench (not that you would understand that). This I promise you- you aint getting people closer to a desired place in God by presenting judgement and condemntion. You are not John the Baptist or Jonathan Edwards. I say this because I have not discerned a true concern or Christlike love in your presentations on this board.
sorry, I have had a few pints of that evil stuff called beer. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: |
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why not say it like this?
"attn. bible thumpers: SHUT UP." |
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Red
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:27 am Post subject: |
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Re. the jesus-freaks:
They may all think works of fiction are real, but they're no more annoying, obnoxious, and belligerant than anyone else around here. |
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Demonicat
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, come on! This is the most fun I've had in days. Its like an interactive version of Jerry Springer. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| According to scripture, if Jesus walked the streets of Itaewan on a late Saturday night, the bargirls and us heathen would immediately recognize who He was. We would sense His diviness and His love. |
I agree. Jesus is the greatest example.
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| Hey, if you all went to Itaewan tonight with your message of judgement and condemnation, do you think they would flock toward you? I think not. They were run away. |
They probably wouldn't understand us. If i could speak in Korean, I don't know? In Vancouver, when we used to go on the streets we would have many different types of reception. Some hated us, some loved us, others couldn't care less, others were healed, some converted, many fed....etc...etc.
I could go on with your post, but hey, I'm not perfect. Never said i was. However, you don't know me or probably anyone else do you? Then you are probably making a lot of assumptions, eh? Probably not a good idea.
You probably don't know if I have been to India or not, right?
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Demonicat
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Location: Suwon
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Unless you understand the intricacies of karma and transmigration of the soul (edited out of the Bible for political reasons...) you don't really know that any babies and other apparently innocent people who undergo great misfortune and suffering are really "innocent" or not...(While in our mother's womb we can remember a number of our past lives - but birth is so traumatic that we forget...) |
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Red
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| ... in our mother's womb we can remember a number of our past lives ... |
How does something with a limited brain cells through most of it's development, like a fetus, pull this trick off? |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: Re: OK All You Bible Thumpers |
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| MASH4077 wrote: |
How many years have you been truly serving Christ? Have you loved the unlovable? Have you healed the sick? Have you helped the homeless? Not by sending money to World Vision, but by inviting them into your home???
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According to scripture, if Jesus walked the streets of Itaewan on a late Saturday night, the bargirls and us heathen would immediately recognize who He was. We would sense His diviness and His love. The prostitutes of the NT times went up to Him and were at His feet. He said that they were closer to the Kingdom of God than were the Pharisees (Bible Thumpers who parade their fire and brimstone message, but not the love, compassion and acceptance that Jesus paraded around the tax collectors and prostitutes. The Jesus of the NT had the prostitutes and tax collectors come into the presence of absolute purity and love without any condemnation. They were drawn toward Him
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Hey, if you all went to Itaewan tonight with your message of judgement and condemnation, do you think they would flock toward you? I think not. They were run away.
My suggestion is to go to India or somewhere, get dirty, smell the stench and be a servant of God. You probablt do not know what I am saying.
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sorry, I have had a few pints of that evil stuff called beer. |
Hey there! I'm not much for beer. More of a whiskey girl, myself. As it happens, I just got back from India! I didn't meet many people other than Eurotrash and gypsy merchants in Goa, but I had some great conversations, gave away food, and knowingly paid too much for trinkets to take home. I'm no Mother Theresa, but I thought it was a funny coincidence.
I've spent a good deal of my time with refugees (yep, had them living with me, or helped to pay for their new homes), homeless people, prostitutes, kids below the poverty line, literally becoming a beggar myself so I could be with these people full time. Jesus recommends against boasting about good deeds because when we get the credit, we get an ego boost rather than credit in heaven, but it sounds like you really need to hear that some people actually practise what they preach.
I lived in a neighbourhood that our police called "Hell's Half Acre"-- the main reason our city sported the title "Murder Capital of Canada". My aim was to set up a camp for kids to go in the summer time so they could get out of the house, play games, go to the waterslides, eat decent meals, learn about God and be loved and accepted by the volunteers in this group.
I wanted to get to know my neighbourhood, and lucky for me, everyone on my street was unemployed (except one old soldier who worked in a garment factory), so they always had time to chat. I loved to talk with a worn-out young woman named Rosalind, who worked as a prostitute to support her heroine habit. She was heart-broken because she had lost custody of her children, and often used a knife to "erase" the trackmarks on her arms. I made friends with her by rescuing her kitten from a rooftop (I recruited a pro thief named Romeo to shimmy up a tree and get it down), and thereafter we talked, I painted her toenails, brought her homemade food, prayed for her, whatever she wanted.
I didn't heal her sickness. I haven't had much luck in that department, though I believe in miracles, and I have seen some modest healing as a result of my prayer.
I haven't seen many people experience dramatic conversions after having conversations with me. I think my gifts are in other departments. I'm not good enough at Korean to chat my way up Hooker Hill, but I feel that I have my uses in the Kingdom of God. I'm as exasperated as you at the people who have been blithely condemning others, but at the same time, it has created some interesting conversations, so I hope it ends up doing more good than harm. |
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drgoo
Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Location: Home, sweet home
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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: OK All You Bible Thumpers |
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| kermo wrote: |
Hey there! I'm not much for beer. More of a whiskey girl, myself. As it happens, I just got back from India! I didn't meet many people other than Eurotrash and gypsy merchants in Goa, but I had some great conversations, gave away food, and knowingly paid too much for trinkets to take home. I'm no Mother Theresa, but I thought it was a funny coincidence.
I've spent a good deal of my time with refugees (yep, had them living with me, or helped to pay for their new homes), homeless people, prostitutes, kids below the poverty line, literally becoming a beggar myself so I could be with these people full time. Jesus recommends against boasting about good deeds because when we get the credit, we get an ego boost rather than credit in heaven, but it sounds like you really need to hear that some people actually practise what they preach.
I lived in a neighbourhood that our police called "Hell's Half Acre"-- the main reason our city sported the title "Murder Capital of Canada". My aim was to set up a camp for kids to go in the summer time so they could get out of the house, play games, go to the waterslides, eat decent meals, learn about God and be loved and accepted by the volunteers in this group.
I wanted to get to know my neighbourhood, and lucky for me, everyone on my street was unemployed (except one old soldier who worked in a garment factory), so they always had time to chat. I loved to talk with a worn-out young woman named Rosalind, who worked as a prostitute to support her heroine habit. She was heart-broken because she had lost custody of her children, and often used a knife to "erase" the trackmarks on her arms. I made friends with her by rescuing her kitten from a rooftop (I recruited a pro thief named Romeo to shimmy up a tree and get it down), and thereafter we talked, I painted her toenails, brought her homemade food, prayed for her, whatever she wanted.
I didn't heal her sickness. I haven't had much luck in that department, though I believe in miracles, and I have seen some modest healing as a result of my prayer.
I haven't seen many people experience dramatic conversions after having conversations with me. I think my gifts are in other departments. I'm not good enough at Korean to chat my way up Hooker Hill, but I feel that I have my uses in the Kingdom of God. I'm as exasperated as you at the people who have been blithely condemning others, but at the same time, it has created some interesting conversations, so I hope it ends up doing more good than harm. |
my hat is off to you. I know you are not boasting. I worked for 15 years, as a volunteer, with Triad gangs, prostitutes and street people a group in Hong Kong directed by Jackie Pullinger. I crashed and burned and obviously had a crisis in my faith. After Hong Kong I went to graduate school in California and then came to Korea.
I know you are not asking for this, but I admire you .
It could be overwhelming to see all the poverty, sickness, injustice, etc in this world. But it is like the little girl who picked up the starfish and threw it back in the ocean. Her father asked her why she did that as there were many starfish that were beached, she replied, "Well it makes a difference to that one."
In my case I feel that the 15 years was like a vapor, like a finger in the water.
In our case we did things out of relationship with people. Gave people dignity and if we saw they were cold; we gave them a blanket. If hungry; we fed them etc.
I just get indignant with the impersonal approach. The impersonal approach does not give people dignity.
Anyway Kermo, I enjoyed reading your post and would love to hear more about your experiences. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:47 am Post subject: |
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I'm amazed to hear about your experiences, and sad to hear about your burn-out. What's left of your faith, if anything? I have an idea about Jackie Pullinger's story, but found it hard to dig up a good bio on her. Can you tell me more about her?
Thanks for hearing me. |
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