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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Vegetables Reply with quote

Now, Fruit and Meat are non-count nouns, so why does Vegetables get to be a count noun? This does not seem fair? What is so special about Vegetables? No offense to Vegetables, but I really think that it should not be treated any differently than Fruit or Meat.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realise you were being smart...but

Fruit and meat are a small part of the whole.
EG: a piece of fruit is a small part of the entire fruit tree.
A piece of meat is a small part of the entire animal.

Veges are the whole, or the mostpart at least.
EG: A vege is the whole or almost the whole plant. It is not a piece or the plant.

Does this make sense?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Veges are the whole, or the mostpart at least.


What about corn? Isn't corn a veggie? And why are peas 99.9999% of the time plural? I think MASH is on to something important here.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need no vegetables. I just eat me some of them vitamenes.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
Veges are the whole, or the mostpart at least.


What about corn? Isn't corn a veggie? And why are peas 99.9999% of the time plural? I think MASH is on to something important here.


bleh.... not gunna bother.... Wink
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheba wrote:
I realise you were being smart...but

Fruit and meat are a small part of the whole.
EG: a piece of fruit is a small part of the entire fruit tree.
A piece of meat is a small part of the entire animal.

Veges are the whole, or the mostpart at least.
EG: A vege is the whole or almost the whole plant. It is not a piece or the plant.

Does this make sense?


That was a really really good explanation.
I'm not sure exactly what the corn confusion is, but there is some doubt in my mind as to whether it is even a vegetable anyway.
There are so-called vegetables who are really fruits in disguise, and the way to spot them is to find out whether they contain the seed or not, not whether they are sweet. Thus, peppers, corn, and peas are just masquerading as veggies, since they come from a fertilized flower.
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CGully



Joined: 23 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about corn? Isn't corn a veggie?


Just to clear up least a bit of this confusion, corn is actually a grain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fruit, collectively, is noncount, but I cant think of a single fruit that isnt countable.

Among vegetables, on the other hand, many are noncount: lettuce, broccoli, spinach, parsley, etc.
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

I like Sheba's explanation. I was not tryimg to be smart as much as funny.

As far as corn goes, it is non-count and the kernals are count, which would follow Sheba's explanation.

But I personally see little difference between a cucumber coming off a vine and an apple coming off a tree.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: thanks Reply with quote

MASH4077 wrote:
I like Sheba's explanation. I was not tryimg to be smart as much as funny.

As far as corn goes, it is non-count and the kernals are count, which would follow Sheba's explanation.

But I personally see little difference between a cucumber coming off a vine and an apple coming off a tree.


I figured it wasnt a serious question, but thought it interesting to give it a shot! I meant fruit/veges/meat as a collective.... did you?

As an individual there are heaps of countable and non-countable fruits and veges.... my theory is completely buggered there! We just happened to be studying countable and non-countable foods at the moment in one of my classes.... it is difficult explaining that many food can be both....
eg 3 pieces of chicken Vs 3 chickens
3 slices of pizza Vs 3 pizzas

And who can confirm that tomatoes are a fruit or vege!? I was taught that they were a fruit buy popular belief is that they are a vege.... and my students wouldnt have a bar of this fruit business!
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