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chaz47

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: low level students and the "Z" sound |
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anyone have any tips and tricks for the "Z" sound, i have a couple students that seem incapable of getting it...
thanks
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:28 am Post subject: |
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I bring in the electric shaver and we take turns shaving with the power off
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Works like a charm.
DD
every kid wants to be able to shave... |
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deessell

Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Z is Zebra
S is snake
Then exaggerate the sounds. |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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yeah, S is for a snake that says "ssssssssssssssssssssss....." (tongue "fthoop" tongue "fthoop")
Z i don't know but I make the sound long enough that they can hear it "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzoo" "zzzzzzzzzebra" and so on. "Zipper" is probably the best pnemonic device as it makes a vaguely Z-like noise. |
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Ekuboko
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Location: ex-Gyeonggi
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Have them make the /s/ sound, holding two fingers to their throat.
Then have them make the same sound, but voiced, i.e. /z/ -- they should feel vibration through their fingers at their throat.
Have them alternate between /s/ and /z/, so that they feel how the position of their lips, tongue and teeth do not change - just that you add voice for one sound and not the other. Then practice with whole words (remember to do start as well as middle/ending sounds, e.g. not only zebra and zing; but organization; crazy too.) You could make up fun tongue twister-type sentences with these sounds as well to challenge them and keep it fun. |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:18 am Post subject: |
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With the middle/ending "s" examples, make sure you use ones that are actually pronounced as "s". The ones in "loser", "phase", and "keys" are pronouced as "z". |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Location: Poh*A*ng City
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:06 am Post subject: |
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzah
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzah
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzah
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzah
ZEE
ZEE
ZEE
ZEE
repeat, works like a charm... my hardest sound is TH... gotta stick my tongue out and say, with it out "uu put ya tung ona top of ur mouf and go" THHHHHA.... THHHHHHA... |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:25 am Post subject: |
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I was once told to ask them what sound a bee makes.
That one crashed and burned pretty fast. |
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andrew

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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:31 am Post subject: |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Yeh, j for z.
Easy fix though. Korean kids have no trouble with terminal z just initial z. Have them go buzzz--zoo & buzzz--zipper a few times. They get it. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Ekuboko wrote: |
Have them make the /s/ sound, holding two fingers to their throat.
Then have them make the same sound, but voiced, i.e. /z/ -- they should feel vibration through their fingers at their throat.
Have them alternate between /s/ and /z/, so that they feel how the position of their lips, tongue and teeth do not change - just that you add voice for one sound and not the other. Then practice with whole words (remember to do start as well as middle/ending sounds, e.g. not only zebra and zing; but organization; crazy too.) You could make up fun tongue twister-type sentences with these sounds as well to challenge them and keep it fun. |
Damn, I hadn't thought of that. I've tried all of the other tactics mentioned in this thread with absolutely zero success (bujjjjjjjjj), but I think this might work. S and Z are the same position, but one is aspirated and the other isn't. Eurika! |
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Ekuboko
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Qinella wrote: |
S and Z are the same position, but one is aspirated and the other isn't. Eurika! |
No, /h/ is the aspirated sound, as is history and Helen (but not hour).
/s/ is unvoiced (or voiceless) and /z/ is voiced. |
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Chonbuk

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I also get them to put their fingers on my/their throats to feel for the sound.
I go around and touch their throats also for the ones that are struggling.
It works like a charm.
One of the problems is that they do zzzz, and than stop and make a 'j' sound.....
tell them to continue with the zzzz buzz.
Th- are by far the hardest- I have them out stick their tongues out likes snakes....
Koreans will do it much easier than Arabic and Indian students.....
I think the giggle is the best part of teaching Pronunciation.
Also, anybody try to use the Do, Re, Mi scale....
I have had success with it, but my singing voice sucks.
hmm-
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Pangit
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ekuboko wrote: |
Qinella wrote: |
S and Z are the same position, but one is aspirated and the other isn't. Eurika! |
No, /h/ is the aspirated sound, as is history and Helen (but not hour).
/s/ is unvoiced (or voiceless) and /z/ is voiced. |
Actually, /h/ is the glottal fricative. You're right about /z/ being voiced, but /s/ and /z/ are the voiceless and voiced alveolar fricatives.
Aspiration occurs with plosives, mostly, like /d/, /t/ and /p/, but aspiration is not a primary manner of articulation, nor does it indicate voice. It refers to a tertiary sound made using the breath after plosion. An aspirated /t/, for example, has some breath coming out after it. /h/ does not involve plosion, thus it can't be aspirated.
Nonetheless, you're absolutely right about how to teach /s/ and /z/. Differentiation must be made between the /s/ and /z/ sounds by not using and using voice. Just make the /s/ sound and then turn the voice off and on. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Ekuboko wrote: |
Qinella wrote: |
S and Z are the same position, but one is aspirated and the other isn't. Eurika! |
No, /h/ is the aspirated sound, as is history and Helen (but not hour).
/s/ is unvoiced (or voiceless) and /z/ is voiced. |
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