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E2 visas and mandatory drug tests
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Sooke



Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Location: korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: E2 visas and mandatory drug tests Reply with quote

I have heard a rumour that immigration will soon be doing mandatory drug tests for all E2 visa holders. Specifically, they will be making E2s entering the country to submit a pee-test upon entering.

Anybody hear anything about this? It would sure make my vacation home a bit lame if I can't have a few (hundred) tokes.

I don't do it here, for obvious reasons. But I don't see a problem with snowboarding back in my native country and unwinding at night with a big fat session.

Are our jobs worth the indignity and invasion of privacy? I'm beginning to think not.

"Why don't you just leave then, you Canadian Freedom hater!" you may say. Don't worry, I'm way ahead of you. I'm on the 6 month countdown. Soon, I'll be working in a country that doesn't assume I'm a criminal and harass me with endless degree confirmations and (proposed?) drug tests. [However, the country may harass me because I represent the Great Satan, but at least the pay is more than here Wink )
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, no, Sooke, smart people understand your worry. I'm not much of a smoker, but that's not the point of objecting to a pee test. I sure as hell don't want to have to piss in a cup when I enter the country. It's a definite invasion of privacy.
Now, on the other hand, can you actually imagine Immigration doing that at the airport? C'mon, I can't imagine that being done. It would take to long and be too difficult.
Does this happen anywhere in the world? Is there a country that tests visitors before they enter the country for drugs? (wait a second, I have a suspicion that the U.S. does this. If it does, could someone show proof of this?)
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beware second hand smoke too!
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Sooke



Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Location: korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

riley wrote:
No, no, Sooke, smart people understand your worry. I'm not much of a smoker, but that's not the point of objecting to a pee test. I sure as hell don't want to have to piss in a cup when I enter the country. It's a definite invasion of privacy.
Now, on the other hand, can you actually imagine Immigration doing that at the airport? C'mon, I can't imagine that being done. It would take to long and be too difficult.


You're right, I can't imagine them doing that. Or, I can imagine them doing it for a while, then stopping, much like the big prostitution crackdown a few months (or years-who remembers?) back. The will is strong but the flesh is weak.

I'm just worried that I'm in the airport after indulging during my last vacation, and they administer a pee test. "Thanks for your computer, your bank account, and all the other stuff you used to own. Make yourself uncomfortable as we detain you for a couple of weeks and deport you. Korea Fighting!!"
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have high doubts they would do it at the airports, rather than do it during a mandatory health check, which alot of teachers go through if they take a public school job.

I think one of the things that foreigners DON'T understand that any contact with marajuana is a crime in this country, period. It is not as laxed as in Canada and not as tolerated as in the US.

Korean entertainers have been arrested and their careers ruined by just being in contact (using or from second-hand smoke).

It is best to reframe from having anything to do with it until you know you are not going to come back to Korea.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear on the grapevine that western countries are planning to abandon drug tests for airline pilots too, not just teachers.

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voth



Joined: 05 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how they would handle those with paruresis better known as shy bladder syndrome? There are other ways of testing an individual for narcotics use, such as blood or a hair sample. I see this as an invasion of privacy plain and simple.
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good. One more way to rid us of useless people. First get rid of the fake degree people, then get rid of the drug users. Sounds okay to me. I can't take even one more teacher arrested for fake degrees or using drugs. How many times do we all have to be painted with the same brush?
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
I have high doubts they would do it at the airports, rather than do it during a mandatory health check, which alot of teachers go through if they take a public school job.


I think a lot of places do a check for drugs/hiv when they do the tests, does anyone know exactly what it is they are checking for when they hand over their samples?
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joelseymour



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: E2 visas and mandatory drug tests Reply with quote

Sooke wrote:
I have heard a rumour that immigration will soon be doing mandatory drug tests for all E2 visa holders. Specifically, they will be making E2s entering the country to submit a pee-test upon entering.

Anybody hear anything about this?

You're sure it wasn't me who said that on the earlier and very long thread on this same topic that was launched by Derrek? I believe what I said was, they're going to administer wee-wee tests for all white males between 25 and 35 entering Korea from N. America or SE Asia. Or they might. Or they should. Or something like that.

Next step would be to require foreigners to drop trou right there at the Korean embassy or consulate overseas to see if their wee-wee is visa-worthy. And then of course random, unannounced piss-testing in country and as part of the visa extension/renewal process. That should pretty much cover it. I wouldn't call these rumours so much as wet dreams. Very Happy
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: E2 visas and mandatory drug tests Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
Sooke wrote:
I have heard a rumour that immigration will soon be doing mandatory drug tests for all E2 visa holders. Specifically, they will be making E2s entering the country to submit a pee-test upon entering.

Anybody hear anything about this?

You're sure it wasn't me who said that on the earlier and very long thread on this same topic that was launched by Derrek? I believe what I said was, they're going to administer wee-wee tests for all white males between 25 and 35 entering Korea from N. America or SE Asia. Or they might. Or they should. Or something like that.

Next step would be to require foreigners to drop trou right there at the Korean embassy or consulate overseas to see if their wee-wee is visa-worthy. And then of course random, unannounced piss-testing in country and as part of the visa extension/renewal process. That should pretty much cover it. I wouldn't call these rumours so much as wet dreams. Very Happy


I know what you're getting at, but the way that paragraph turned out...You may want to rethink the ending.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: E2 visas and mandatory drug tests Reply with quote

Thunndarr wrote:
I know what you're getting at, but the way that paragraph turned out...You may want to rethink the ending.

What? The nocturnal emissions/wee-wee parallel? No, that one was intentional. Razz Or that I seriously get my ya-yas thinking about Koreans intimidating, harassing, and forcing us to pee in a cup? No, that's me not being serious.
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BigBlackEquus



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true, at least in part!

I was going to start a whole new thread on this, and perhaps I should!

Today, I just re-entered on a new visa. The officer saw my visa stamp, and told me I had to walk to the right. I was taken into a little room off to the side, and told I had to drop my drawers in this special closet and pee while the very ugly female officer watched through a little window to make sure I didn't taint the urine. I objected, and got into an arguing match with the officers. I told them I would have nothing of it, and would contact the Canadian embassy. I screamed at them, "We only allow your people easy entrance to our country because you do the same for us! Now let go, or I will complain to the Canadian Embassy, and they will immediately revoke all Korean tourist visas!"

They laughed, and about seven of them struggled with me, held me down, and ripped off my pants. They then proceeded to snake a catheter up my gochu! When the tube reached its destination, there was nothing I could do but pee.

The instant tests were negative, and I was told that I would be contacted at one of the contact numbers I had to leave with them as to the results of the more extensive tests.

I was released, but sadly, there was a tall thin dude from Vancouver who was returning from a trip to Amsterdam being taken away in handcuffs at the same time. He kept screaming, "What I did and where I did it was legal!"

Then, he started crying. Terrible, just terrible. Oh, OK, it didn't happen, but it was fun to write!
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A sobering tale, even if in jest.

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I was released, but sadly, there was a tall thin dude from Vancouver who was returning from a trip to Amsterdam being taken away in handcuffs at the same time. He kept screaming, "What I did and where I did it was legal!"


He was wrong: it is not legal in Holland - it is merely tolerated.
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