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Japan built the seoul subway, for korea.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject: Japan built the seoul subway, for korea. Reply with quote

Didn't realise this:

"Korea's first subway line was constructed with the technical and economic aid of Japan. However, some say that the total extent of Japanese aid was hidden from Koreans at that time."

http://experts.about.com/e/s/se/Seoul_Subway_Line_1.htm

What i want to know is ..who hid the fact Japan was helping them out, and why?
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seoul_Subway_Line_1&diff=18031268&oldid=16768092
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"South Korea's first subway line was constructed with the technical and economic aid of [[Japan]]. However, Japanese stuffs were excluded from the opening ceremony in 1974 and the Japanese assistance was hidden from Koreans; a Korean official used the assassination attempt on President Park as an excuse for it. Immediately before the opening, a Korean residing in Japan tried to assassinate President Park and killed his wife instead. Strangely, this incident inflamed Korean anti-Japanese sentiment."

wow.

So Japan built the subway, a korean killed The Korean first lady, and Japan got all the blame.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really amazing country isn't it? I do like the subway system here though.
Really makes you think. Japan just can't win can they? Bad to Korea, demonized. Nice to Korea, indifference (they must have a secret agenda). *Sigh*
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean's get beat on century after century by foreign aggressors, but lack the technical know-how or will to defend themselves.

They lash out at the Japanese, and use Dokdo as a symbol of their anger, when in reality, they have never shown the sack to fight anyone but themselves. They do this only because they have their American big-brother to fight their battles. Still, they appease the North shamelessly, showing the North they fear what it could do.

History has a funny way of repeating itself.
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own_king



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Really amazing country isn't it? I do like the subway system here though.
Really makes you think. Japan just can't win can they? Bad to Korea, demonized. Nice to Korea, indifference (they must have a secret agenda). *Sigh*


The same thing happens to countries who are nice to Korea too. After all, if it wasn't for America, there wouldn't even be a South Korea. But look at how badly the US is demonized here.
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

own_king wrote:
Guri Guy wrote:
Really amazing country isn't it? I do like the subway system here though.
Really makes you think. Japan just can't win can they? Bad to Korea, demonized. Nice to Korea, indifference (they must have a secret agenda). *Sigh*


The same thing happens to countries who are nice to Korea too. After all, if it wasn't for America, there wouldn't even be a South Korea. But look at how badly the US is demonized here.


The truth is, if it weren't for USSR, there wouldn't be a South Korea.
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own_king



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
own_king wrote:
Guri Guy wrote:
Really amazing country isn't it? I do like the subway system here though.
Really makes you think. Japan just can't win can they? Bad to Korea, demonized. Nice to Korea, indifference (they must have a secret agenda). *Sigh*


The same thing happens to countries who are nice to Korea too. After all, if it wasn't for America, there wouldn't even be a South Korea. But look at how badly the US is demonized here.


The truth is, if it weren't for USSR, there wouldn't be a South Korea.


Haha, OK, or China for that matter, if you want to go that route.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are talking like they were here until yesterday working on the Guri line. Yeah, they began the subway as we know it, but it was hardly anything worth forgiving Japan's colonial past over.

More a feat was how they linked this country together (for the first time, I believe) with the rail system in general.

wiki wrote:
some say


Who was that again?

Gotta love the accountability of the Wiki.
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
"South Korea's first subway line was constructed with the technical and economic aid of [[Japan]]. However, Japanese stuffs were excluded from the opening ceremony in 1974 and the Japanese assistance was hidden from Koreans; a Korean official used the assassination attempt on President Park as an excuse for it. Immediately before the opening, a Korean residing in Japan tried to assassinate President Park and killed his wife instead. Strangely, this incident inflamed Korean anti-Japanese sentiment."

wow.

So Japan built the subway, a korean killed The Korean first lady, and Japan got all the blame.


They excluded Japanese stuffs? Noooo! Not their stuffs!

I'm not gonna insinuate that a Japanese person with poor English wrote that part. Nope, not gonna insinuate one bit.
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

own_king wrote:
Wangja wrote:
own_king wrote:
Guri Guy wrote:
Really amazing country isn't it? I do like the subway system here though.
Really makes you think. Japan just can't win can they? Bad to Korea, demonized. Nice to Korea, indifference (they must have a secret agenda). *Sigh*


The same thing happens to countries who are nice to Korea too. After all, if it wasn't for America, there wouldn't even be a South Korea. But look at how badly the US is demonized here.


The truth is, if it weren't for USSR, there wouldn't be a South Korea.


Haha, OK, or China for that matter, if you want to go that route.


Nope, only USSR. They agreed (surprisingly) to the 38th parallel demarcation after 1945 and indeed stopped when they got there, even though there were then no troops on the other side.
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doggyji



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
Junior wrote:
"South Korea's first subway line was constructed with the technical and economic aid of [[Japan]]. However, Japanese stuffs were excluded from the opening ceremony in 1974 and the Japanese assistance was hidden from Koreans; a Korean official used the assassination attempt on President Park as an excuse for it. Immediately before the opening, a Korean residing in Japan tried to assassinate President Park and killed his wife instead. Strangely, this incident inflamed Korean anti-Japanese sentiment."

wow.

So Japan built the subway, a korean killed The Korean first lady, and Japan got all the blame.


They excluded Japanese stuffs? Noooo! Not their stuffs!

I'm not gonna insinuate that a Japanese person with poor English wrote that part. Nope, not gonna insinuate one bit.


It's not a news that "net uyoku"(Japanese ultra right wingers online) have fun manipulating Korean stuff here and there. It has been known that they are pretty organized with manuals and instructions. (Japanese rule! Very Happy)

BTW, it might be true that Japan helped with the initiation of the subway line in Seoul.
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why else would it run on the left?
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the late '60s the Korean government signed a treaty with Japan: in return for such development help and loans, Korea absolved Japan of all future claims, by the Korean government and its citizens, regarding the Japanese colonial period. In other words, Korean sex slaves could legally get no compensation in Japanese courts. The Korean government basically sold out the Korean people so the chaebols could enrich themselves. Naturally the Korean government kept this a secret from its own people until the sex slave women started to make head way in Japanese courts and then the Japanese government pulled out that treaty.

The Korean government ended up doubling the anguish. It could have told them flat out "sorry, you have no legal claim...errr we sold you out." But it hid it from them and forced the Japanese to break it to them.

Hyundai, Samsung, and LG owe the victims a lot of money, in my opinion. They did well for themselves with the blood money Korea got for their suffering.
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Nope, only USSR. They agreed (surprisingly) to the 38th parallel demarcation after 1945 and indeed stopped when they got there, even though there were then no troops on the other side.


Not so suprising, actually. They had previously proposed to Japan to split up Korea at the same parallel. Russian imperial designs on Korea helped trigger the Russo-Japanese War. The Russkies probably interpreted the proposal of the 38th parallel as an offer to do what Japan had refused -- split up the peninsula into two colonies.
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