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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: How to Disarm Kim Jong Il Without Bombing Him |
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An interesting read.
http://freekorea.us/2008/01/22/plan-b-how-to-disarm-kim-jong-il-without-bombing-him/
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Plan B: How to Disarm Kim Jong Il Without Bombing Him
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. � Albert Einstein
Plan A, gentle diplomacy, has again failed to disarm Kim Jong Il. Whenever this happens (every time it�s tried) advocates of doing the same thing over and over again fall back on The False Choice, whether expressly or by implication: it�s their way or war. They know better, of course, which technically makes this a lie. And usually, this lie stands uncorrected:
�People lambaste the six-party process, and sure, it offers no refuge for those in need of instant gratification,� Mr. Hill, the negotiator, said in an interview. �But when asked for alternatives� to the nuclear pact, Mr. Hill said, �even the noisiest critics fall silent.� [N.Y. Times]
Hill knows better. Last year, North Korea talked him into abandoning the one alternative that�s ever succeeded in modifying Kim Jong Il�s behavior: economic constriction. In just 17 months, the Treasury Department�s sanctions against one small bank in Macau brought Kim Jong Il�s palace economy to the brink of the same catastrophe the rest of the North Korean economy reached 15 years ago.
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: DPRK |
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| North Korea recently closed it's consulate in Canberra, Australia, as a cost cutting measure. |
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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| then once he has been captured we can isolate him in an abandoned warehouse and bomb it!!!!! |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: How to Disarm Kim Jong Il Without Bombing Him |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
An interesting read.
http://freekorea.us/2008/01/22/plan-b-how-to-disarm-kim-jong-il-without-bombing-him/
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Plan B: How to Disarm Kim Jong Il Without Bombing Him
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. � Albert Einstein
Plan A, gentle diplomacy, has again failed to disarm Kim Jong Il. Whenever this happens (every time it�s tried) advocates of doing the same thing over and over again fall back on The False Choice, whether expressly or by implication: it�s their way or war. They know better, of course, which technically makes this a lie. And usually, this lie stands uncorrected:
�People lambaste the six-party process, and sure, it offers no refuge for those in need of instant gratification,� Mr. Hill, the negotiator, said in an interview. �But when asked for alternatives� to the nuclear pact, Mr. Hill said, �even the noisiest critics fall silent.� [N.Y. Times]
Hill knows better. Last year, North Korea talked him into abandoning the one alternative that�s ever succeeded in modifying Kim Jong Il�s behavior: economic constriction. In just 17 months, the Treasury Department�s sanctions against one small bank in Macau brought Kim Jong Il�s palace economy to the brink of the same catastrophe the rest of the North Korean economy reached 15 years ago.
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Yes bring back really strict sanctions and even if a couple of million Koreans die of starvation, I'm sure it'll be all worth it in the end . |
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mrgiles
Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| nobody in those 6 table talks wants kim jongil's state to collapse. it would be too expensive in a number of ways. why the hell do u think north korea's little stalinist dynasty still exists even after it passed what most experts saw as absolute "critical collapse point" somewhere in the mid to late 90s? |
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Cerriowen
Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Location: Pocheon
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Problem with that is that if you were to completely collapse the economy, then what's the motivation NOT to use nuclear weapons?
Millions die from starvation, or from retaliatory bombings... Either way, you're country is screwed. If you're going to go out, may as well go out with a "bang" |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: How to Disarm Kim Jong Il Without Bombing Him |
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| blade wrote: |
| Troll_Bait wrote: |
An interesting read.
http://freekorea.us/2008/01/22/plan-b-how-to-disarm-kim-jong-il-without-bombing-him/
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Plan B: How to Disarm Kim Jong Il Without Bombing Him
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. � Albert Einstein
Plan A, gentle diplomacy, has again failed to disarm Kim Jong Il. Whenever this happens (every time it�s tried) advocates of doing the same thing over and over again fall back on The False Choice, whether expressly or by implication: it�s their way or war. They know better, of course, which technically makes this a lie. And usually, this lie stands uncorrected:
�People lambaste the six-party process, and sure, it offers no refuge for those in need of instant gratification,� Mr. Hill, the negotiator, said in an interview. �But when asked for alternatives� to the nuclear pact, Mr. Hill said, �even the noisiest critics fall silent.� [N.Y. Times]
Hill knows better. Last year, North Korea talked him into abandoning the one alternative that�s ever succeeded in modifying Kim Jong Il�s behavior: economic constriction. In just 17 months, the Treasury Department�s sanctions against one small bank in Macau brought Kim Jong Il�s palace economy to the brink of the same catastrophe the rest of the North Korean economy reached 15 years ago.
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Yes bring back really strict sanctions and even if a couple of million Koreans die of starvation, I'm sure it'll be all worth it in the end . |
I only printed a small, introductory excerpt of a very long article. Obviously, you didn't bother to read.
| Cerriowen wrote: |
Problem with that is that if you were to completely collapse the economy, then what's the motivation NOT to use nuclear weapons?
Millions die from starvation, or from retaliatory bombings... Either way, you're country is screwed. If you're going to go out, may as well go out with a "bang" |
Neither did you.
If either of you had bothered to read the article, you would have seen that nobody wants North Korea to collapse. That would be a disaster for everyone in Northeast Asia. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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1) remove the mine fields, tank walls and other obstacles. take sentries off their DMZ posts. we got satellite, we see any and all above ground troop movements.
2) let him digest that for sometime. no big rush. a thousand year peace cannot and should not be hastily entered.
3)station no international troops within 58 miles of the border. every decade move it another ten miles out.
4) tell him that on a set date south korea is going to normalize relations with north korea. keep the possibilty of reunification on the table.after said date, the south korean side of the border will be no more militarized than than the US/Canadian or Sino-Mongolian borders. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Some one could just shoot him. Use a highpowered rifle from a distance and take him out. Leave clues to put the blame on the Somalis or something, and just wait for the country to go to peieces. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Leave clues to put the blame on the Somalis or something |
And give regicide ANOTHER conspiracy theory to obsess over? Think what you're saying, son. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| Len8 wrote: |
| Some one could just shoot him. Use a highpowered rifle from a distance and take him out. Leave clues to put the blame on the Somalis or something, and just wait for the country to go to peieces. |
He never looks the same in pictures, especially in the ones taken in the last 5 to 10 years...which leads me believe that the odds would be high that the person taken out would be one of his doubles. |
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