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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: "jog" and "log" don't rhyme |
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| I'm very certain these two words don't rhyme yet they are all listed in all the phonics books as doing so. They look like they should rhyme but the "o" in jog sounds like "j-ah-g" or the short "a". Why not use ""fog" or "hog"? |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| They rhyme for me. Different regions will pronounce the words differently. |
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Riddzy
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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They rhyme where I'm from (New Zealand and England).
Try pronouncing it in the Queen's English. |
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livinginkunsan

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| rhyme for me as well. Canada here |
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goodgood
Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Location: seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Northeast USA, sounds like a rhyme from to my ears. |
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Me too.
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Ryst Helmut

Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Meh...people from Uranus speak funny.
!shoosh,
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Moment of bizarreness - I agree with Dulouz about something!
People are right, though, about pointing out dialectal differences as the source of confusion here.
I'd also just point out the limits of using phonics in teaching English. There's a lot of exceptions to those rules (which suggests that they aren't rules). |
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Seattle, they are the same to me. |
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Kimchieluver

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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Same to me and I lived all over the North American west coast. |
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faster

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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CA / OR / MA
The rhyme to me just fine.
Now "porridge," "storage," and "orange"? Not quite. |
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Boodleheimer

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Location: working undercover for the Man
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| a representative from the fine state of Virginia says they rhyme. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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It looks like I may have Merriam Webster on my side.
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<<How can "dog" fail to rhyme with "jog"? They both have the same sound like that of "cot" in them. I don't see how cot-caught merging comes into it. Caught has a longer vowel sound than cot in standard British English that is quite unlike dog or jog.>>
But in the context of North American English, cot-caught merging does come into it. That's because North American English has undergone the so-called lot-cloth split, in which certain words that used to have the vowel of "cot" shift so that they have the vowel of "caught". Generally in North American English, this split affected the word "dog" but not the word "jog". Compare http://m-w.com/dictionary/dog with http://m-w.com/dictionary/jog : converting into X-SAMPA phonetic script, the Merriam-Webster dictionary lists [dOg] as the primary pronunciation of "dog" but [dZAg] as the primary pronunciation for "jog". This is analogous to how, for many speakers of British English, the words "pass" and "mass" don't rhyme. |
http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t2545-0.htm |
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Boodleheimer

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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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so the vowel in "jog" sounds like the vowel in "cloth" to you?
my virginian might be influenced by my welsh boyfriend. |
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polonius

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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: dog, jog |
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| Well I think you have answered your own question then. According to the Cambridge and Oxford dictionaries, the phonetic guide has the vowel sound listed the same. (Actually, even though they have the US pronunciation listed differently then the British, in the phonetics guide for US pronunciation, jog and dog do rhyme) And personally, I would choose British English over US English. |
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