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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Koreans and their trash Reply with quote

I'll never get over the utter lack of responsibility of Koreans and their inability to properly dispose of their TRASH.

This pile of trash has been growing for the past two months. It started out as a single bag of garbage and now...this:




The Koreans have the 11th largest economy in the world no? They can't afford to clean up their garbage? They put it on the average citizen to do it? Why would they do that if they don't even enforce the laws?

Imho, the best way to get Koreans to follow the "trash laws" would be to hire trash police to enforce the law by handing out tickets. Throw trash on the ground? Get a ticket for a million won. Can't or won't pay the fine? Go to jail. How fast would that work? Instead of all those stupid kimchi making food shows, pound it into their heads with non stop 24 hour shows about how they're going to be fined if they're caught throwing trash on the ground instead of disposing of it properly. It's not rocket science.

As far as the dumpsters go, I think that would be the easiest option for the government. All they have to do is install them and hire workers with trucks to pick up the garbage every two days, then drive it to the dump. Don't they burn it all anyway?


Edit: Why is it that the Japanese can hire city workers to clean up trash off the streets and the Koreans can't? Korea isn't poor, all they have to do is provide the public with trash cans and hire some city workers to clean up a bit. With plenty of dumpsters and recycle bins, wouldn't the average citizen stop throwing their trash on the ground? Schoolchildren are some of the worst offenders...I've seen them buy candy, tear off the wrappers and just throw it anywhere - not a care in the world. Why do the Japanese educate their citizens and why are they so anal about garbage? Because they care about their country and keeping it beautiful?


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hubba bubba



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then ther's the complete opposite; the trash nazi. There are at least twenty separate bags for each kind of trash. One bag for green bottles (heh), one for browm, one for those little "drinking yogurt" cartons, etc. And the 95 year old man that guards them and yells like a lunatic if you put cardboard in the yellow paper box. Sheesh.


Please, just get some dumpsters!
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell yes, get some dumpsters. Hire workers to sort through it and separate the garbage if the average Korean citizen won't do it properly. It's not rocket science. People come to Korea (another board) on business and you know what the one thing they remember the most about the city of Seoul is? THE TRASH STREWN EVERYWHERE!
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Sine qua non



Joined: 18 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hubba bubba wrote:
Please, just get some dumpsters!


I'm down with the sentiment, but the folks over here just don't have the land area for huge NA style public landfills. That's probably why they try to pick out every...single...last...piece of recycleable material from their garbage.
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sine qua non wrote:
hubba bubba wrote:
Please, just get some dumpsters!


I'm down with the sentiment, but the folks over here just don't have the land area for huge NA style public landfills. That's probably why they try to pick out every...single...last...piece of recycleable material from their garbage.


That, and it makes sense...

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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Korea is generally cleaner than my home country, the UK.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the government relies on the average citizen to do the picking through. The average citizen doesn't care about it, they throw bottles and cans on top of other people's garbage bags as they walk down the street, knowing that nothing will happen to them. It's an eyesore and it's not just one or two areas of Seoul...it's just about everywhere.
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mnhnhyouh



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I would like more trashcans. I smoke Sad and there is never anywhere to put the butts. When I am about to go onto the subway I still look about for a trashcan, but to no avail. There are always lots of butts near the entrances, so I am not the only person with this problem.

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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and their trash Reply with quote

SuperFly wrote:
I'lImho, the best way to get Koreans to follow the "trash laws" would be to hire trash police to enforce the law by handing out tickets.

There IS a ratting policy / fines for illegal dumping among other things.
There was a story in the paper about some dude who video documented a Paris Baguette store NOT charging a fee for plastic bags. He took the video and receipt to city hall and was awarded 50,000won.

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Edit: Why is it that the Japanese can hire city workers to clean up trash off the streets and the Koreans can't?

Korea does hire city workers to clean up. Usually in the early mornings.
Instead of actually working, they get together behind some bushes and have alfresco soju parties.
I've seen it on a frequent basis.

In my area there simply are NO publlic recepticles for trash. I was told it's because all the ajumas in the area would be using them to drop their household garbage for free.

You want to get a korean really upset? Tell him you are raising taxes.


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Sine qua non



Joined: 18 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I wish there were more public trash cans here.

And less vomit on the street (though I have been guilty of that once, myself).
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really simple. Charge every home owner and renter a fee for garbage. Put recepticles out on the streets and pick up the trash once every few days. What's so hard about that? People are going to pay for the trash bags anyway, so what's another 30,000 won per month for the trash fees?


And as far as the city workers not doing their jobs, how about one of those TV stations running a month long TV expose' on how they're not doing their job? How about firing them and hiring some new workers who might actually do some work?


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ChinaBoy



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh man that brings up a bad memory for me.. I was feeling fine walking into a restaurant with a couple friends.. 45 seconds later before I even sat down at the table, the smell was just so overpoweringly awful that I ran outside and vomited on the steps for about 3-4 minutes..

I didn't go back in, and no, there wasn't a trash can around, either
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the ratting policy, how do they expect someone to rat another person out on illegal dumping if the police/enforcer can't be there to catch the offender? The offenders usually haul ass out of dodge before anyone can call the cops, unless they know where the offender lives. Usually from what I've seen in these cases, the offender will carry their bag of trash (not a proper bag for trash, but one of those black bags they get for free from the local convenience store) far from their home or on their way to work or somewhere....and just dump that bag on top of someone elses correct trash bag in front of their house.


I'm going to keep posting pictures of that trash pile in post number 1 on this thread, lets see how big it gets by the end of the year. Let's see how long it take the city workers to clean it up.


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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been amazed there isn't litter everywhere, considering there are over 10 million people living in a small area and almost no garbage cans everywhere. North Americans could learn from Koreans.
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SuperFly



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to understand a little better...do the garbage men not pick up bags of trash that aren't proper trash bags? Do they take the proper bags and leave everything else? How does that work?

RACETRAITOR wrote:
I've always been amazed there isn't litter everywhere, considering there are over 10 million people living in a small area and almost no garbage cans everywhere. North Americans could learn from Koreans.



Don't know where you're from, but where I come from we have two big containers on wheels. One is for recycled trash and one is for normal trash and food trash. The containers have to be taken inside the yard except on trash days, or you'll be fined by the city. We have garbage disposals in our sinks for food without bones, so normally people use the garbage disposal for uneaten food.
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