Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Wait a minute.I thought fire couldn't melt steel structures?
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Wait a minute.I thought fire couldn't melt steel structures? Reply with quote

Fiery crash melts part of San Francisco highway
Quote:
EMERYVILLE, Calif. - A stretch of vital highway for San Francisco Bay-area commuters collapsed on Sunday after a gas tanker truck crashed and ignited flames that shot more than 200 feet (60 metres) high, officials said.

Flames on a lower ramp melted the upper deck of a highway on the Oakland/Emeryville side leading to the double-decker Bay Bridge that connects the heavily populated East Bay to San Francisco. As the steel structure weakened, a concrete slab fell onto the ramp below.




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18381649/


Where are the conspiracy theorists on this one?


Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whack jobs can make consipracies out of anything. Look at IGTG, that guy is actually mentally ill.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen lots of pictures of that accident. It is quite remarkable that the freeway took such a beating. Of course the guy was carring something like 2,700 gallons of gasoline.

I'd hate to be him though. The commute in the Bay Area is going to be messed up for months because that one intersection was destroyed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What idiot said fire couldn't melt steel? Besides you and huffy, of course... Taking your rhetoric lessons from Bush, et al.? Oh, wait... do you mean literally, or do you mean weaken? And, what temperature of fire? And for what length of time? And at what intensity?

Rolling Eyes

And, please tell me where the redundancies are in a bridge?? Attempting to compare a bridge collapse to the collapse of a steel frame building is a little silly. Not that the event itself isn't of some intrest to engineers and such. But, hey, you might actually wait for some to write a report or something... if you were interested in discussion rather than... um... neo-con rhetoric.


Last edited by EFLtrainer on Thu May 03, 2007 9:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIS-info from the get go ...

Debunkers Use Ludicrous Freeway Comparison
To Attack 9/11 Truth


Desperation evident as thin rebars impacted by gasoline firestorm compared to twin tower's thick steel beams and concrete core

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, May 1, 2007

Debunkers have again betrayed their desperation by citing the partial collapse of a freeway bridge in San Francisco to claim that the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and Building 7 has been discredited.

In reality, the comparison is ludicrous and wildly inaccurate.

Nationally syndicated radio host Neil Boortz Rolling Eyes and other Neo-Con talking heads immediately seized on the bridge collapse in unison as part of a coordinated attack on the 9/11 "Truth" Movement.

Even mainstream science and technology websites jumped on the bandwagon, "When the I-580 overpass buckled, it brought back memories of the World Trade Center," reported Wired News.

Such bold assertions were notably absent when the 32-story Windsor Building in Madrid was gutted by intense fires for 28 hours but did not collapse in February 2005.

The frenzy was particularly evident at Fark.com, with posters reveling in the notion that the freeway accident had made "WTC conspiracy theories collapse as quickly as that highway did." Farkers, who judging from the website spend most of their time discussing hookers, obese lesbians and lauding a "semi-hot female coach getting it on with an underage female student," attacked 9/11 truthers for their lack of scientific credentials.

So in response to the numerous naysayers desperately clamoring for anything to stop the wild runaway popularity and growing credibility of the 9/11 Truth Movement, we talked to a physicist and a steel welding expert about the freeway collapse and why it is completely outlandish to compare it with the fall of Building 7 and the towers.

Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert, joined Alex Jones on the air yesterday to talk about the monumental differences between the two collapses.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/010507ludicrousfreeway.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
we talked to a physicist and a steel welding expert about the freeway collapse and why it is completely outlandish to compare it with the fall of Building 7 and the towers.

Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert, joined Alex Jones on the air yesterday to talk about the monumental differences between the two collapses.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/010507ludicrousfreeway.htm


They talked to Steven Jones and Alex Jones. Rolling Eyes Gee, wonder where that one is going.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert


Isn't that like saying you're an expert in nothing?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Quote:
Professor Steven Jones, a Ph.D. physicist and cold fusion expert


Isn't that like saying you're an expert in nothing?


Yes but you will break ITGT's schizophrenic little heart since most of his theories are based on what kooks and quacks say.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how any idiot could really compare a collapsing highway bridge to the World Trade Center Towers. Just check the evidence and see.

In any acse, everybody knows that the ISI and the FBI brought down the Towers. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither of the quacking Joneses is a structural engineer, nor a civil engineer. Neither has any education, training, nor work experience in ANY area related to structures, metalurgy, or explosives - not even engineering physics. They are true quacks.

The "truthers" have so far not been able to recruit even one qualified structural or civil engineer to their cause. NOT ONE. NOT EVEN ONE.

Get it. There is no qualified individual in the entire world who believes their crap. There are hundreds of thousands of civil and structural engineers. Where are they?

This crap was all started by some failed kids who couldn't even get into a good university, let alone graduate, let alone graduate with a degree in any subject that takes a brain.

It is also NOT true that their movement is growing. It is, in fact, almost dead. The number of people that actually believe that the twin towers were brought down with explosives is a tiny percentage.

They always cite surveys that show that many Americans believe Bush et al are covering something up. Well sure they are. But not a physically impossible conspiracy that no one but a shrinking handfull of wackos believes in.

The Bushies are covering up the fact that they were warned about the REAL conspiracy - the one planned by Bin Laden and his group - and they did nothing to thwart it. And that is what most people in the surveys mean when they say they think that the government is covering something up.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the idea is in any disaster one can find enough unknowns and odd things to spin a conspiracy. The bridge collapse people are merely using it as a bit of parody of the 9/11 conspiracy nuts. And I don't think the nuts understand they're simply being mocked.

Here's a good one mocking the 9/11 idiots:

Uncomfortable Questions about the Death Star Attack
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also heard that thousands of Jews in the area were told to stay off the overpass. Twisted Evil
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
daskalos



Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has no one here ever heard of a Class Delta fire? I do not believe much of anything about the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of the twin towers, but I do know that anythng, even metal, can burn, if you get it hot enough.

In the Navy, a Class Delta fire was the worst nightmare we could envision, because there's not really any easy way to extinguish a fire so hot it could make iron burn. If it's a plane on a flight deck, the solution is to push the plane off of the flight deck into the sea. Otherwise -- that is, if it's a bulkhead or the hull -- you're pretty much just ****ed.

Metal burns, if it gets hot enough. Seems weird, but it's science.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daskalos wrote:
Has no one here ever heard of a Class Delta fire? I do not believe much of anything about the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of the twin towers, but I do know that anythng, even metal, can burn, if you get it hot enough.

In the Navy, a Class Delta fire was the worst nightmare we could envision, because there's not really any easy way to extinguish a fire so hot it could make iron burn. If it's a plane on a flight deck, the solution is to push the plane off of the flight deck into the sea. Otherwise -- that is, if it's a bulkhead or the hull -- you're pretty much just ****ed.

Metal burns, if it gets hot enough. Seems weird, but it's science.


The Sheffield during the Falklands war burned. I guess the brits made a lot of their destroyers out of aluminum and the fire got so hot that it burned. The wounds were very, very nasty.

Do the conspiracy loons still argue the line:

1) Jet fuel doesn't get hot enough to melt steel
2) Therefore the towers could not have fallen

Jet fuel and the stuff it started burning was hot enough to weaken the steel (which was exposed because of the impact).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daskalos wrote:


Metal burns, if it gets hot enough. Seems weird, but it's science.


Now you will get IGTG confused. Science?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International